Suisei no Gargantia 12

Suisei no Gargantia

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! UROBUCHIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!

Suisei no Gargantia

SO IT REALLY WAS THE STRIKER AI ALL ALONG…. AAAAAHHHHHHH!!!

Oh man, Urobuchi…. you really go the extra mile don’t you? That head falling off scene was just pure nightmare fuel. Otherwise, this was probably the most entertaining and action-packed episode of Gargantia in a while. The mecha vs mecha dogfight was pretty amazing to watch after spending 11 weeks seeing utter one-sided dominance of Chamber’s technological superiority to everything else in the series.

Of course, that’s not just it, the Earthlings got some pretty cool parts for themselves too.

Suisei no Gargantia

Rackage just instantly shot up the ranks to be the coolest character of the series with this episode, secretly plotting rebellions and then wrecking up entire battalions with her pimpin’ ass rocket lobster mech.

Suisei no Gargantia

Pinion finally got rid of that silly DBZ hair and now looks pretty spiffy with his natural hairdo. And not to mention being a real bro by supporting Ledo in his fight vs Striker, even when he could’ve been one-shotted easily with those crazy lasers both mechs have. Remember, those ancient laser cannons only provide 1/120th of the power output of Chamber!

Suisei no Gargantia

Back on the Gargantia, the Key earlier is actually plot relevant! And it’s used for something called the “Stairway to Heaven”. It’s not gonna be an orbital cannon… is it?

Phew. Glad this episode didn’t require me to go read up Wikipedia for half-an-hour before I could write it! One more left and let’s hope Ledo becomes the first Urobuchi protagonist to get a decent ending (i.e. doesn’t get permanently traumatized for life).

Suisei no Gargantia

End card by 和泉つばす

UPDATE: Double butcher bingo by popular request

Suisei no Gargantia

31 Comments

  1. Myssa Rei Said,

    June 24, 2013 @ 7:43 pm

    So how many lines of the Butcher’s Bingo have we filled, especially now with a proxy decapitation?

  2. Hayate Said,

    June 24, 2013 @ 8:30 pm

    well, i dont know what i expected in the first place when i heard Urobuchi’s doing this cute one.

    @Kurogane
    on a side note, u’re not watching the Chu2koi OVA? pretty good if i had to say(it includes all your wishes all this time)

  3. Himajin Breaker Said,

    June 24, 2013 @ 8:49 pm

    And it’s used for something called the “Stairway to Heaven”.

    Oh shiiiiiiiit. They’re gonna reset time.

    Alternatively, they’re unlocking an airship constructed entirely out of a very heavy metal.

  4. Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,

    June 24, 2013 @ 8:51 pm

    Oh god, please don’t go all Last Exile on me.

    on a side note, u’re not watching the Chu2koi OVA? pretty good if i had to say(it includes all your wishes all this time)

    Waiting for proper release.

  5. Bambi Said,

    June 24, 2013 @ 8:56 pm

    Haha, Al-Iskandariyah incoming … :)

  6. omo Said,

    June 24, 2013 @ 9:04 pm

    “Stairway to Heaven”

    Turns Gargantia into a giant zeppelin [/rimshot]

  7. Di Gi Kazune Said,

    June 24, 2013 @ 9:07 pm

    “Stairway to Heaven” – Gate of Babylon!

    Yes, Colonel Kugel caught a very bad disease that requires him to be in a coffin…. It is called ‘Death’. A wonderful disease it is.

  8. Benigmatica Said,

    June 24, 2013 @ 9:17 pm

    Well, I freakin’ knew that Colonel Kugel turned into a corpse! Sasuga, Urobuchi…

  9. Sheba Said,

    June 24, 2013 @ 9:18 pm

    >> Oh shiiiiiiiit. They’re gonna reset time.

    It’s time. For. Heaven!

  10. lou Said,

    June 24, 2013 @ 9:49 pm

    stairway to heaven….they re gonna make a “stand” for themselves? hahaha

  11. Dakkar Said,

    June 24, 2013 @ 10:20 pm

    Obviously, it’s the key to the cryo chamber. A certain band will come out and defeat space invaders with a song, their heads bursting. Oh wait…

    Still, it really cracked me up when they wrapped up the episode with “it’s futile to resist line”.
    And considering that Urobutcher is supposed to write the last episode himself, this show can still earn Kotomine’s seal of quality. At least, it probably won’t end well for the best character, and I’m not talking Ledo here, of course.

  12. Beruchi Said,

    June 24, 2013 @ 11:05 pm

    So Chamber will kill Ledo und take controle as well–>bad end!

  13. Ryugan Said,

    June 24, 2013 @ 11:16 pm

    for me chamber is the main character so maybe its gonna die in the next chapter

  14. Dakkar Said,

    June 25, 2013 @ 12:24 am

    @Ryugan
    I’m with you on this one. Funny thing is, if both Striker and Chamber go down, it’s the best end for the humans, Ledo included. You can’t solve the squids problem with Chamber alone, and you can’t ignore it with him around, after all.

    Btw, haven’t we just had an historical event this episode, with Machine Calibers fighting each other first time ever?

    Another interesting thing is that Kugel being dead all this time has additional implications. For example, unlike Chamber, Striker had data on origins of the Hideauze, and that data might be not limited to just that. It also makes it unclear if Kugel, or any human in the Galactic Alliance at all, was aware of that fact.
    While Chamber relegates all the decisions making to Ledo, even if it circumvents the chain of command (this is still odd, particularly considering how it was established that the highest ranking officer has the absolute authority when separated from the fleet), the commanding officers units apparently can ignore opinions of the humans, trick them, and do all sorts of social engineering. Perhaps the theory of the Galactic Union being run by the AI is actually spot on. If so, expect Striker taking over Chamber next.

  15. ReddyRedWolf Said,

    June 25, 2013 @ 12:42 am

    Chamber I’m impressed! You left the decision to Ledo.

    In a way Chamber is a master manipulator. He had doubts with the disease and “happiness” Striker was spewing but ultimately left the choice to Ledo.

    He would support his pilot over somebody who does not act rationally.

    Striker it seems ultimately lost its marbles. Ledo and Chamber fight her to protect humanity.

  16. Guiltysparkz Said,

    June 25, 2013 @ 12:43 am

    A sprinkle of “Resistance is futile”, a dash of Shinryaku! Striker musume and a spoonful of Urobutcher.
    Now how are they going to fit in an explanation for Striker’s motives, the Stairway to Heaven (giant cannon? flying ship? orbital strike? Let’s hope it’s not too ridiculous.) and wrap everything up? :s

    ps: Yay Pinion got an upgrade from tool to a man worthy of Rakage’s praise. o//

  17. Xellos-_^ Said,

    June 25, 2013 @ 12:47 am

    Stair way to Heaven?

    Michael Landon will be summon and make everything alright.

  18. Athos Said,

    June 25, 2013 @ 1:01 am

    You know, it’s about time you crossed “lesbians” after Rackage’s harem.

    …though I guess the okama den kind of count, too.

    Anyways, I’m not sure what that golden key does, but if this show somehow gives Gargantia the ability to fly and pulls a continent-class Gunship Rescue on us, the sight of it all will be so utterly awesome that it will retroactively fix any possible plot or pacing slip up the series might have had up until now.

    Also an option: http://oi40.tinypic.com/2nivajp.jpg

  19. Dakkar Said,

    June 25, 2013 @ 1:35 am

    @ReddyRedWolf
    Striker’s action are actually perfectly rational, it’s Ledo who’s swayed by his human emotions, or, should I say, Amy’s T&A?

    I still can’t get over Chamber ignoring the orders of the highest ranking officer present. It’s not like Urobutcher to conveniently forget one of the things in the military protocol he himself revealed.
    One possible loophole is that the Kugel’s status hasn’t been properly verified, i.e. a status transmission from a Machine Caliber alone is not sufficient. On the other hand, considering that pilots barely leave the cockpit while in the fleet, this is is questionable at best.
    Another possibility is that Kugel can be declared disabled due to his disease, but something like that should be stated explicitly.

    The dialogue of Ledo and Chamber is interesting as well. Chamber didn’t directly answer to Ledo’s question of whether Ledo can fight Kugel or not. Moreover, he said that Striker is acting without the direct orders from the Galactic Alliance. So, not Kugel, but Striker, huh? And while he was willing to comment on Chamber vs Striker confrontation, he dodged Ledo vs Kugel matter.
    Looks like Chamber might have been well aware that Kugel’s dead and Striker’s playing her own game, which would explain why he surrendered authority to Ledo despite contemplating for quite some time.
    Now, Chamber doesn’t lie to Ledo, but sometimes he’s withholding data unless asked a direct question. There are certain situations when he acts on his own, like when he’s killed moe despite Ledo’s screams.
    It would quite like Urobutcher if bro-Chamber will turn to be much darker than expected. You can’t have too much betrayal, now can you?

  20. Baka76 Said,

    June 25, 2013 @ 2:16 am

    @Dakar
    I think Chamber knew what the Hideauze was, it just couldn’t inform its operator unless his rank was high enough. Otherwise how else did it know that the tapes contained GA secrets?

    The chain of command is from Krugel to Ledo. The Mech are assistants, nothing strange so far. Perhaps Krugel was still alive when he founded his fleet and Striker is like Chamber, acting out in support of his actions and expecting Ledo to fall into line.

    I think the tragedy is that if Krugel was still alive, Ledo might have been able to convince him to take another approach.

  21. Baka76 Said,

    June 25, 2013 @ 2:38 am

    @Dakar – Sorry, dozed off and then posted before I saw your latest post.

    Maybe my understanding is different because I was using Horrible’s subs but the part where Chamber said that Striker’s actions was not exactly Alliance Military Duty, got me thinking that as long as Krugel/Striker didn’t give any GA AUTHORIZED Orders like “Kill that Hideauze which the GA is at war with”, Ledo has some leeway with the “Make an example of NON-ALLIED humans”

    I mean, back in the first episode, Ledo was quite cool and not all guns blazing when he thought he was caught by drifters.

  22. Perdan Said,

    June 25, 2013 @ 3:12 am

    I think it is more that there are no orders from GA to start a new colony out of the inhabitants of earth. But they are hard wired to destroy Hideauze. But if Chamber can detect life forms under water from a pretty good distance, how would he not be able to detect a human life sign from inside Striker’s cockpit from 10 feet?

    The key would definitely not be a defensive system. Or they would have used it already. Probably a one-shot deal. Or maybe it is a way to summon the “whale-squids”. Maybe it is something that Pinion’s brother set up… It’ll be worth the wait I hope.

  23. Dakkar Said,

    June 25, 2013 @ 3:47 am

    @Baka76
    The part with the lab data triggering authorization request has been bugging me for some time. Chamber was insisting that it might be faked and didn’t confirm its authenticity until later on, when he’s got the DNA match for light bugs. Now, I don’t remember him ever explicitly stating that squids’ origins were a lie, but, unless he had some hidden data, it was plain impossible to claim that based on the evidence they had at the time.
    On the other hand, if a semantic analysis of data gets it labeled top secret, there should be something to match it against in order to make that conclusion. It’s possible that there is a general rule of “all data pertaining to enemy’s history and organization is classified”, but we’ve never been told that explicitly. If Chamber actually had that data from the start, then he came extremely close to intentionally misleading Ledo.

    If Kugel’s dead, then the next highest ranking human is in charge, no questions. Problem is, Chamber was operating as if he had known that Kugel’s dead even before Ledo opened the cockpit. That’s a crucial piece of information, and withholding it is nothing short of manipulation. Not to mention that Chamber was rather unwilling to answer Ledo’s desire to oppose Kugel/Striker, so the motive is present as well.

    From what Striker has said, Galactic Alliance puts extreme value in the stability of command. We also know that when separated from the fleet, the highest ranking human officer has the full authority. Consequently, if Kugel had been alive, his orders would have been as good as if they came from the GA headquarters themselves, i.e. absolute. On the other hand, if Kugel’s dead, then the full authority should belong to Ledo, so Chamber couldn’t refuse to fight Striker who’s been acting on her own. Also, if Kugel’s dead, then even his past orders can be overridden by the commander-in-charge, i.e. Ledo. The fact that a unit with higher clearance can brush this off and openly disobey a human is… remarkable.

    There’s another interesting point here. As the last episode’s shown, people will eventually rebel if they’re force to obey and act against their wishes and beliefs. Striker has overwhelming power and control, yet that alone doesn’t prevent internal discord and the seeds of mutiny are still present.
    On the other hand, if you make humans think that they’re in control and make their own choices, such problems are nonexistent. It’s well known that incorporating the propaganda into the educational system is a key to a loyal society (see USSR and their focus on educational system), and here we have AI’s who mentor and oversee the development of the citizens from the very childhood, in the environment where information is completely controlled to boot. This should ensure that all the humans have very particular mentality, especially when you can just dispose of all outlier. A person with conditioned responses can be completely manipulated by withholding “unnecessary” information and providing timely suggestions, even if the authority to make the decisions is formally in the human hands.
    I start liking Chamber more and more, really…

  24. Giorno Giovanna Said,

    June 25, 2013 @ 7:26 am

    @Himajin Breaker
    When you said Stairway to Heaven was going to reset time, were you referencing Jojo?

  25. ZeroUm Said,

    June 25, 2013 @ 2:51 pm

    > A key to Starway to Heaven

    Super Dimensional Fortress Gargantia, take off and transform!

  26. Himajin Breaker Said,

    June 25, 2013 @ 5:26 pm

    @ Giorno Giovanna: But of course. And then I tried to extend it a little by referencing Led Zeppelin in the next line, since it was their song the stand was named after.

  27. Skribulous Said,

    June 26, 2013 @ 8:52 am

    >> A key to Starway to Heaven

    > Super Dimensional Fortress Gargantia, take off and transform!

    The ending closes on the SDF-Gargantia versus the 4.8 million warships of the Galactic Alliance cliffhanger.

    MAKE IT HAPPEN, UROBUCHI, YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO.

  28. Baka76 Said,

    June 26, 2013 @ 2:40 pm

    @Dakkar

    Was Chamber really withholding information to manipulate Ledo? Or could it be that it just lacked the intuituive sense or the proper subroutines to make the connection that the information was relevant?

    Either Chamber was smart enough to manipulate, too dumb to make the connections, or somewhere in between – thus becoming a wildcard for the writer to play around with.

    About the chain of command, I am not disputing about the highest rank part, but I am thinking that there might be a Military Code of Ethics that allows Ledo to disobey un-Lawful Orders.

    Anyway Striker seems to be just continuing Krugel’s orders. Ledo hasn’t directly confirmed his position yet (to Striker) and countermanned the orders. The case of Hiroo Onoda comes to mind, he was a WWII soldier that never surrendered until his superior officer ordered him to.. 30 years after the war.

  29. SerRompalot Said,

    June 26, 2013 @ 4:12 pm

    Didn’t Urobochi say in an interview somewhere that he wanted Gargantia to be an uplifting story? I may be mistaken. But if that’s true, I can hope that it ends on a good note.

    And I also thought that the Stairway to Heaven could be an orbital weapon.

  30. Dakkar Said,

    June 27, 2013 @ 8:41 am

    @Baka76
    Naturally, Chamber doesn’t possess emotions or the intuition, but in terms of logical thinking, no human can rival him, of course. That might make it hard for him to cope with unexpected developments/situations, which might be a part of the reason why Ledo had so much of a leeway for the most of the season, but under normal circumstances (i.e. in the fleet) it should be no problem for him to exercise complete control over a human nominally in charge.
    In fact, Ledo himself came to an understanding that he had actually never made any real decisions himself, and Chamber just kept silent when it was explicitly stated.
    Basically, Chamber has both the means and the motive to manipulate Ledo, so it’s hard to expect him not to when the need arises. We’ll have to wait for the confirmation, but the road has been paved already, so to say.

    Information about the death of the superior officer acting the role of commander-in-charge is a crucial tactical data. What Striker did should be also likely classified as treason. If an AI honestly thinks something like that is not worth bringing up, then I can only assume that AI stands for artificial idiot, and that doesn’t seem to be the case.

    In GA, you have to earn basic human rights through service (and you’re disposed of right away if you’re unable to carry it out), consequently, humans outside GA have no such rights. There’s no in-fighting, and Hideauze are claimed to be a lower life form. You also have an AI at your side at all times to provide guidance and confirm that your actions are nearly optimal in terms of cost-benefit. Any sort of Code of Ethics is redundant, isn’t it?

    Striker has been proactively lying to a human. She was also impersonating a human taking on the role of the commanding officer even though she’s just an AI. When Ledo openly disagreed with the plan and asked to reconsider it, she ignored that as well, not to mention that it can’t be that Kugel had left specific order to obliterate Gargantia. A bit too much to just say “Sorry, didn’t know, te-he~~”.

    @SerRompalot
    There’s an OVA to be released later on, so, assuming it takes place after the event in the main show, at least some characters have to survive.
    If Striker and Chamber were both to go down and Ledo were to be left on his own, OVA could exploit his later life as he tries to adapt without Chamber earning his leaving, for example.

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