Hyouka 09

Hyouka

She should never, EVER go out clubbing or for drinks without really good friends. But… seriously, who’s Chow?

Drunk Chitanda’s probably the best thing to happen to this show. This is the first time so far I’ve actually enjoyed the episode without a single thought of “they should’ve made Full Metal Panic!…” popping up in my head. I mean it!

Also, I wanted to kick, punch and slap the three idiots in this episode respectively. They aren’t even fucking trying!

13 Comments

  1. c2710 Said,

    June 18, 2012 @ 11:05 pm

    a drunk chitanda is fine as well

  2. Benigmatica Said,

    June 18, 2012 @ 11:39 pm

    “Also, I wanted to kick, punch and slap the three idiots in this episode respectively. They aren’t even fucking trying!”

    Well, they’re either have a clue on what Hongou is trying to accomplish, or they’re just playing smartass and try to come up an answer…

    But hey, at least Chitanda will be fine on the next episode… after recovering from her hangover!

  3. Algester Said,

    June 18, 2012 @ 11:46 pm

    I can’t help but say I’m curious to who chow is…

  4. ewok40k Said,

    June 18, 2012 @ 11:47 pm

    Drunk Chitanda is even more cute than curious one!
    I can see doujins already of various unscrupled individuals abusing drunken Chitanda, in a variety of depraved ways. Begone visions! I have pure admiration for her only.. (I hope?)
    Other than that I think there IS a method to the madness of the script and the killing, I will put my pet theory to the test… see next week if it works!
    The key to the mystery is obviously THE key – MASTER key
    In the movie, they mention that one of the characters choose and insisted on the location.
    I suspect, this someone has made a copy of the master key before the events of the movie, and therefore he could create locked room scenario in any room victim has chosen to visit.

  5. whoever am I Said,

    June 19, 2012 @ 12:10 am

    i have a different opinion as you though…. (o_o)…

    somehow I think that the trio is quite an effective device in presenting new perspectives on how to solve the problem. Remember that while they may be anti-climatic and far from solving the mystery, you cannot deny such possibility. After all…. those three seems to be the embodiment of amateurs in writing mystery novels

    a.) As first idiot says so, the play is still a play so of course the term “DRAMA” is still appropriate; albeit exaggerated. If I’m an amateur scriptwriter in the mystery genre, I’d most certainly write a story that covers these following key terms said by idiot #1: drama and locked room. After all, although the tension for mystery is low in this state, it is easy to make and people (referring esp. to mystery newbs/noobs) will just focus more on the drama portion rather than the mystery but they will have the illusion that it’s MYSTERY and go kinninarimasu.

    b) As second idiot says so, this is a work done by an amateur and you really can’t expect an amateur to perfect the scenario that is similar to a real satsujin jiken. In addition, he is quite a realistic character in a sense though…. when amateurs started reading mystery novels (or even something with the term “mystery” along the line), there is a certain feeling of pride that tells you that “YOU CAN SOLVE ANY MYSTERY”… After all, you’ve read 800+ chapters of metantei conan and you can’t solve a single case? omg. :|

    c) Third idiot’s proposition has its truth. I mean, thanks to Hollywood. Thanks to them that an amateur’s perception on mystery and horror has somehow blurred. I mean…. this may be presumptuous of me but all of the stories with the base genre of mystery like Holmes somehow became action movies… wut? And pretty much movies like Friday the 13th gives more of those mystery feeling to me than those supposedly mystery movies….

    So you really can’t blame those three for being idiots since although the way they presented their reasoning is idiotic… they still undeniable truth regarding the amateur scriptwriters of the mystery genre. I once tried making a mystery story using only my brain and it seems that every time it happens, it always has drama so I guess I fit the first idiot category.

  6. Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,

    June 19, 2012 @ 12:26 am

    My theory is that there is no Hongou-san. Eba’s the one who wrote the entire thing, but now she can’t really find a satisfactory answer, so she decides to get Irisu-senpai and the three fools into getting the Classics Club to help her write the ending based on what she already wrote.

    Someone shoot me if I’m right, because that is like the most cheating way this arc could end.

  7. Hayate Said,

    June 19, 2012 @ 12:48 am

    @Kurogane
    kinda agree with u though…

    like i said before, Hongou-san being too sick until she’s unable to even call/text them with a simple thing like “the culprit is Yasu…” is pretty weird itself

    not to mention the big title arc this time: Y U NO ask EBA?

  8. Cytrus Said,

    June 19, 2012 @ 1:09 am

    @Thought of something along those lines too, but writing yourself into a corner with the first and only closed room in your script is just…

  9. Son Gohan Said,

    June 19, 2012 @ 1:39 am

    “Chow” is wrong. Commie subs translated it as “Ciao”, the Italian greeting.

  10. puppygod Said,

    June 19, 2012 @ 4:58 am

    Kounosu Yuri did it.

    a) She was in the building before, so she found map, know where office with keys is, knew about the master keys. Also note that she initiated all actions – pointed out he building, laid out keys (it’s natural to chose the closest one).
    b) Rope – used to climb down through the window – but not the murder room window, but rather the one of the dressing room windows (one of them was cracked open a little, and they opened to the side, not upwards) – they face the far side of the building, where nobody could see.
    c) Master key – replaced tags and swapped room key with master key – see point a). Maybe even all keys – nobody realized it, because the master key would open the designated room anyway.
    d) Small amount of blood – the arm was cut after the death, to cover the real cause of death. Lopping off hand would cause much blood gushing (on the murderer too), screaming and other commotion – real cause of death was something quick and silent (stun gun? strangulation? lion’s mane jellyfish?) – well, this point is weakest one, but it would explain lack of blood, and how exactly small girl could finish off muscular guy.
    e) Additional actor – he/she was to play some kind of detective character.

    I just can’t make sense out of the symbols by the Conan Doyle stories. Oh, well. Next week we’ll see.

    re: Chow thing – it isn’t wrong, it’s a pun. “Ciao it is” or “I am Chow” sound exactly the same in Japanese.

  11. Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,

    June 19, 2012 @ 7:31 am

    In that context, she was introducing herself to the the girl. I think whether’s it’s “ciao” or “chow” is irrelevant, since she’s pretty damn drunk lol.

  12. estron Said,

    June 19, 2012 @ 9:59 am

    I like puppygod’s theory. It is very similar to mine.

    I was thinking that the window in that room was actually open when he arrived, due to the amount of damage present in the room, and that when she left climbing rope she closed it with her foot on the way up thus quickly sealing it without a struggle. She also could have left some juice or something to make it stick thus disproving any theory with the window entrance. Obviously they don’t need to actually show this on film until later thus it wasn’t in the script since the window would be hard to open already.

    As for the key either she locked the door from the inside if she came in from that rooms window, they are all master keys as was already said, or the key on the floor actually opens the door to the culprit’s room and they planned to swap it later before anyone noticed. The fact no one bothered to check leaves that idea open. It could even be a copy or a key that just looks similar but isn’t actually from the location and the culprit has both keys on her. Either way this saves her the trip to the master key.

    Also she was the one who spots the building at the start indicating she might have known it was there. She even ‘guessed’ the existence of the keys.

    Apparently the actor was also the one who was talked to by the writer. So that might be perhaps she has some secret acting instructions she isn’t telling anyone that caused her to act as she did, or that is just her character. Either way the reactions she has are too little even for a laid back character. She is too perfect. almost so perfect it makes you wonder if she is actually innocent and we are meant to believe she is the culprit.

  13. rufe Said,

    June 20, 2012 @ 8:25 pm

    I just posted this at Psgels:

    “The black haired girl did it. How did she enter the room?

    1) She had the master key from the very beginning. The key she said is “probably the master key” was just the key to another place. The fact that she suggested the building in the first place and also that she knew exactly where to find the keys is suspicious

    2) Using the rope, she descended from upstairs and entered through the NEIGHBORING room which had an open window. Using this method, she can enter the adjacent room without risk of being seen. To ensure that the room is not entered first and her plan ruined, she left the key for this particular room as the “master key” in the office. Once she heard the tall fellow enter the only room his key worked for, she followed him and killed him, locked the door, and then climbed back to the upper floor.

    This is especially plausible as she was the one on the upper floor on the same side of the building as the murdered fellow.

    Now next week we can see if I was correct. Feel free to shoot down my theory if you see a particular problem with it!

    The only issue I haven’t worked out is how she got the guy to go to a particular room. Perhaps somebody has an idea about this as well? Perhaps the map is the key here….”

    As you can see it’s very similar to puppygod’s theory. We seem to all have focused in on the same person as the murderer.

    In retrospect, I think that if the keys are labeled there may be some psychological reason she was able to get the victim to go to a specific room. For example, since the room’s labeled “no entry” he may be the type to take what he perceives as the most dangerous task for himself or something.

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