Guilty Crown 17

Guilty Crown

Guilty Crown

Yes!!! Gai’s back!!

Guilty Crown

Guilty Crown

Guilty Crown

Guilty Crown

( ゚∀゚)アハハ八八ノヽノヽノヽノ \ / \/ \
( ゚∀゚)アハハ八八ノヽノヽノヽノ \ / \/ \
( ゚∀゚)アハハ八八ノヽノヽノヽノ \ / \/ \
( ゚∀゚)アハハ八八ノヽノヽノヽノ \ / \/ \
( ゚∀゚)アハハ八八ノヽノヽノヽノ \ / \/ \
( ゚∀゚)アハハ八八ノヽノヽノヽノ \ / \/ \

I’m glad Gai still hasn’t lost his touch as the best character of the show.

Man, I really shouldn’t be so happy over this but when Shuhrer’s failing so hard that his Goebbels is telling him to stop persecuting the Jews abusing his powers, it’s hard NOT to be happy about this.

Too bad Arisa had to soil herself because Shuhrer was failing so hard that she decided to take matters in to her own hands no matter the cost. Also lol, Argo didn’t die after all.

Ahhh man, I sure hope Gai shows us some great times next week. Man, the UN in Guilty Crown is like some Illuminati-style secret organization.


  1. Nanatsuya Said,

    February 17, 2012 @ 10:51 pm

    So another episode ends with Shu in tears…Not really surprised…

  2. radkliler Said,

    February 17, 2012 @ 11:06 pm

    Gai-dalf the white

    Shu shall not pass.

  3. Dude Said,

    February 17, 2012 @ 11:07 pm

    Now we find a badass with badass powers. Go Gai!

  4. Saangi Said,

    February 17, 2012 @ 11:18 pm

    Kinda makes you wonder if the power could be that easily removed from Shu, why didn’t Gai do it at the start of episode 1 and make himself the main character

  5. Damn Bad Said,

    February 17, 2012 @ 11:56 pm

    Man, Guilty Crown getting more and more shitty… It’s like watching a train wreck so horrible you can’t avert your eyes….

  6. puyo Said,

    February 17, 2012 @ 11:59 pm

    This is not Code Geass level of trainwrecks. This is School Days level of trainwrecks because NONE of the characters are likable or redeemable (except maybe Ayase).

  7. runner97 Said,

    February 18, 2012 @ 2:52 am

    I watched this episode just to see his arm get ripped. That was too satisfying.

  8. Silver Said,

    February 18, 2012 @ 5:14 am

    @ runner97
    Really? You like getting backstabbed over and over and over again and also being used even when he’s trying to help them is OK with you? Cut the guy some slack will you?

    On the other hand, man this show is just pissing me off. It sure likes to fuck with you doesn’t it. Well damn it.

  9. Dakkar Said,

    February 18, 2012 @ 7:42 am

    Hm, even though I dropped this show after like three episodes, I’m now tempted to download this one. Or should I wait until other parts of Shuu get cut off?

  10. runner97 Said,

    February 18, 2012 @ 8:50 am

    Considering he has been too retarded and kept placing himself in situations to keep getting betrayed and went full Hitler, I’m not giving him a break.

    Plus, him being too much of a coward and running away at the start of ep 10 is the reason why everyone is in the current mess, so don’t really care much about what happens to him.

  11. 10MinNick Said,

    February 18, 2012 @ 10:17 am

    Keido was going to trigger Lost Christmas II regardless of whether or not Shu was there to back up FP. Also, reposting this from RC:
    – Sister goes insane, causing Shu to accidentally trigger Lost Christmas
    – *Knows* he caused Lost Christmas by accident
    – Lost sister, best friend, and (apparently) father during Lost Christmas
    – Represses memories of Lost Christmas
    – Trauma causes him to lose all self-confidence and ability to relate to people
    – Is repeatedly condemned, by himself and others, for being unable to save Inori from soldiers with assault rifles while completely unarmed
    – Is given superpowers he doesn’t want that make him a wanted man
    – Friend betrays him to GHQ after explicit promise not to
    – Despite joining Funeral Parlor to protect and stay with Inori, it turns out that she was lying to him
    – Has his rebuilding confidence shattered by being forced to mercy-kill a friend’s little brother
    – Is forced to participate in combat operation while in the middle of a mental breakdown and blamed for poor performance afterward
    – Has a grand total of one person willing to stand by him while he’s in the middle of a breakdown
    – Is called a pathetic coward and abandoned by allies due to said breakdown
    – Manages to pull self together in a crisis and stop Lost Christmas 2: Crystal Boogaloo, but regains all repressed memories, discovers jerkass leader of rebellion was actually best friend, and has to kill his best friend and his sister *again*
    – GHQ quarantines area and prepares to exterminate everyone in it, including Shu, remaining terrorists, and
    – Despite all of this, manages to deal with stress pretty well until he’s appointed president due to superpowers, despite being completely unsuited for the job
    – People do incredibly stupid thing due to friend’s sloppiness with important paperwork; primary means of emotional support dies horrible, horrible death
    – Has breakdown number 3 in-series and decides to do whatever he has to in order to keep people safe
    – Is hated by self and others for incredibly cruel things like making people peel potatoes (the horror) and rationing supplies that are actually limited
    – It turns out that his trusted advisor and former traitor was lying to him about incredibly important fact related to the superpowers that are currently central to his plans; if fact gets out, everything is likely to fall apart
    – Fact gets out
    – Only remaining means of emotional support is gradually being overwritten by crazy dead virus sister
    – ‘Trusted’ advisor tries to convince him to get rid of said emotional support; this reignites Shu’s trust issues and strips him of yet another source of assistance
    – GHQ is, all the while, conspiring to break him down; his stepmother is working with them
    – During plan, things go wrong, enemy attacks ahead of schedule, people die
    – Executes plan, saves everyone, is promptly betrayed
    – Dead best friend chops arm off and steals his superpowers, then leaves him to die

    Not in there but he also nearly died to save Souta’s group. Shu really needs a break badly.

  12. Silver Said,

    February 18, 2012 @ 10:58 am

    I will say this as well. Shu if a fucking wimp/coward and is indecisive. Definitely true. However, he’s also very courageous by that fact that he face everything he went through without running away and making excuses.

    He first met Inori. He let the soldiers take Inori without any sort of resistance. He faced himself and saying that he is a total coward. It takes courage to admit to yourself that you’re a coward. He went and find Funeral Parlor.

    He trusted Yahiro but was betrayed by Yahiro. He fully faced the fact that Yahiro betrayed him but he is understanding and forgave Yahiro.

    He had to kill Yahiro’s brother. He faced the fact that he killed Yahiro’s brother and admitted it directly to Yahiro’s face.

    The students were locked within the walls. He faced the fact that things will not go as peaceful even if he wishes it to be. He was willing to become a leader after Yahiro promoted him.

    Hare was killed. He never ran away from the truth that she’s dead. No, he just went fucking Hitler. Either way, he never ran from her death. Just did something that is not what she wished.

    Even when he was being tyranical, he was still trying to save the students and was betrayed by them AND Gai. Let see how he will face that next episode.

    Souta on the other hand after all that morals and “white” talk several episodes back, betrayed Shu and made an excuse for it by saying he’s not wrong to betray Shu. Total coward and not taking any responsibilities for his own actions.

  13. Giovanni Said,

    February 18, 2012 @ 11:04 am

    I don’t know anymore….

    This sucks.

  14. runner97 Said,

    February 18, 2012 @ 11:20 am

    My point was not about the fight to stop Lost Christmas 2 but rather at the very start of 10 when he ran away prevent FP from stopping the transport truck. I thought that those trucks had the rock that started it all, but upon further review I’m not sure if that’s true or not. So my point might not matter.

    -Everything that happened to him before getting superpowers sucked, no denying that.
    -Shu didn’t have a choice with the superpowers but did have a choice to help the GHQ instead. He stuck with FP.
    -The friend betraying him wasn’t his own fault. But what does he do later in the series? Trusts that “friend” again.
    -His decision to stay in FP for a girl was a dumb one, even if she was telling the true. He had known for how long? And he was already to risk his life for that? He didn’t even care about saving Japan or whatever.
    -He breaks down due to one mercy killing. After all those battles where people around him dies, and it’s a mercy killing that broke him? I felt like they were right to call him pathetic.
    -His sister wasn’t really his sister anymore at that point. Gai already had one foot in the grave, but I don’t know why Shu couldn’t have gone around Gai to kill Mana. Still this was kind of sad. However Shu ignored Gai’s dying words for some reason.
    -Everything in the quarantine seemed to mostly happened due to Shu listening to his asshole friend for some reason.
    -Keeps everyone “safe” by going full Hitler. Ok.

    Things could have been a lot better for him if he didn’t make such poor decisions or was so indecisive at times or took responsibility for his actions. Which is why I really don’t feel like he is deserving of anything.
    And in a way Shu did get a break. He now no longer has any superpowers and everyone can leave him alone now.
    Ultimately though, the writing has been so bad that discussing the characters is pointless.

  15. runner97 Said,

    February 18, 2012 @ 11:30 am

    Double post since I spent too long typing to see Silver’s post, hurrr.

    1. Agreed.
    2. Agreed, however he shouldn’t have been so ready to trust him again.
    3. He faced the fact, but I don’t think he responded correctly.
    4. Didn’t watch that part so no comment
    5. I feel like going Hitler was a way of escaping since he became something he really isn’t.
    6. I wouldn’t consider him being betrayed by Gai. Since GHQ rezzed him, I would bet that they have control over him.
    7. Fuck Souta, no one cares about him.

    Glad we are in agreement about the coward part. I’m not sure just how courageous he is, but maybe I have just been so annoyed at the cowardly parts that I overlook those parts.

  16. Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,

    February 18, 2012 @ 12:28 pm

    I can’t believe people are seriously debating about Shu failing/not failing.

  17. SnooSnoo Said,

    February 18, 2012 @ 12:31 pm

    “-He breaks down due to one mercy killing. After all those battles where people around him dies, and it’s a mercy killing that broke him? I felt like they were right to call him pathetic.”

    Wow you make it sound so easy to kill someone. You gotta remember the dude is just a normal high schooler, not a trained assassin stripped of emotions.

  18. ewok40k Said,

    February 18, 2012 @ 4:01 pm

    I prefered the ‘weak and indecisive” Shu to the dark side Shu anyway… The level of trainwreck is: “Hi watchers! Writers here! We can kill off and raise anyone via deus ex machina BECAUSE WE CAN!”
    And of course band of teenagers with varia of tools/weapons will take not only on GHQ but on the US Pacific Fleet and win… via the power of the competence zone :P
    Oh, and we have been fed lies, his name is not Gai but GAR :P

  19. Immelman Said,

    February 18, 2012 @ 4:15 pm

    The problem of Guilty Crown is not its characters. The main problem is the story and the settings which are completely fucked up, in a bad way. I think the characters on the contrary are really well portrayed and feel real (if we take in account the environment they are in).
    Shu isn’t a conventional main character, he does not fit the shounen type of heroes. Even with his supernatural powers, he’s still scared, scared of dying, scared of killing people, which are totally normal. I won’t list again what fell on his head for 16 episodes (10min Nick’s list is pretty exhaustive) but everyone in his place would have escaped or cracked. A shonen hero would have overcome his fears and would have become a real hero saving people so as eveyone is happy at the end. Shu is weaker than that so the way he resolves problem and use his powers is not the best way (people die, he has to ditch some friends and trust people like Yahiro who is a little evil, but very strong minded).
    When he became fuhrer, he also became a dick, but in a way, this feels really authentic. And even if it was really extreme because of Yahiro’s advises, having a chief to manage people’s behaviour is the right way when facing a crisis like this. The proof is that in almost every country where things are really bad, there’s a dictator or a powerful monarch at his head.
    So the way Shu acted (because it was an act, and not his true self), I understand it. The way the students betrayed him, I understand it also. That’s why I think The characters are not messed up.

  20. shinkirou Said,

    February 18, 2012 @ 4:27 pm

    just as the plot of the story that hare told about the the kind king,
    the king is kind to everyone = shu concern with everyone feeling thus no action is taken
    the king give out everything he has to the ppl = shu lead the students out of the red zone as he promise
    at the end the kind king got nothing to give , he was torch by his ppl= shu lead the student out of the red zone but still he was back stab by the rest , although he have give everything to them.
    so basically even after hare death, shu is till acting as kind king (inside) but on the outside he just try to act ‘tough’ to prevent other seeing his own weakness. but after this episode, is safe to say the ‘kind king’ is now fully becoming “tyrant king”

    Gai: i rise, u fall (quote from transformer the fallen)
    Shu: erm~~ (agony from pain)

    moral of the story : never put your trust in everyone, even your best pal..

  21. runner97 Said,

    February 18, 2012 @ 5:57 pm

    Of course it is hard to walk up to a random person and kill them, but this killing wasn’t like that. He was turned into a monster and on the verge of murdering his brother. What was left of his mind begged Shu to end him. Shu obliged, and in doing so freed Jun from his tortured existence. Thus a mercy killing. Sure he could be sad about it, but a total mental breakdown just showed his cowardice.

    fml for continuing to discuss a shit show

  22. 10MinNick Said,

    February 18, 2012 @ 7:53 pm

    >Of course it is hard to walk up to a random person and kill them, but this killing wasn’t like that.
    Were you trying to say it’s more difficult morally, emotionally or feasible to kill a random person? I got the impression you meant it’s easier to literally walk up to a random person and bash him over the head till he dies but then you ended it with “this killing wasn’t like that”. Incidentally it much easier to kill random people in all three aspects, there is a reason demonizing your enemies makes it easier to fight them.

    >mercy killing
    Shu definitely did not see it as a mercy killing. He was pushed to do it and normal people either try to justify it to make themselves feel better about doing it(“I did what I had to do.” “It was for the better.”) or they just can’t cope with the fact they just took a life. Only psychopaths can walk away from their first kill unaffected. All Shu saw was that his special power made him kill someone and he could not deal with it until he realized that it wasn’t the time to pity himself into uselessness. It wasn’t cowardice that sent him into a mental breakdown, it was the overwhelming guilt.

  23. puyo Said,

    February 18, 2012 @ 10:38 pm



  24. pedobearmatt Said,

    February 19, 2012 @ 2:44 am

    Nobody realized this yet but
    Gai was send to saved Shu and Inori from impeding death from the students, by cutting his arm and taking the King’s void.
    Shu will get his MKII version of hand made from various voids to produce the Lord’s void which is far better than King’s void.

    People that are probably loss and considered dead.
    Arisa (she lose her virginity at the same time becomes too insane for survival.)
    Yahiro (he’s already a loss cause since his brother’s dead this episode confirms it more.)

  25. runner97 Said,

    February 19, 2012 @ 5:29 am

    I mean it is hard to overcome one’s morality to kill a person without any reason. Demonizing someone as an enemy no longer makes that person random.

    Never did I say he had to be unaffected. But he shouldn’t have had a mental breakdown. He joined a terrorist organization so he should have known that he would at some point kill someone, or at least be prepared if it happens.

    Let’s look at a similar example. In Dracula, Lucy becomes a vampire. Her fiance, Arthur, has to help kill her so other people won’t die. Does he breakdown after? No, he was very sad, but decided to hunt down Dracula rather than run away and cry in a corner.

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