Dammit, Carnival Phantasm!

Carnival Phantasm

4 year old Akiha is too dangerous. HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGH *hrkkkk*

Also, am I the only one who thinks that the Fate/Prototype PV was too well made to just be a cocktease? Hell, I’d watch a 1-cour show of that. Especially if it gets help from Gen on the writing.

21 Comments

  1. shinkirou Said,

    January 2, 2012 @ 6:38 pm

    have to say when i first watch fate prototype at the train meeting where archer meet saber is like Gilgamesh meet Gilgamesh based on their hairstyle. really do hove they do the series , is better they put saber as man afterall king Aurthur is a man

  2. K_S_ Said,

    January 2, 2012 @ 6:42 pm

    “Also, am I the only one who thinks that the Fate/Prototype PV was too well made to just be a cocktease? Hell, I’d watch a 1-cour show of that. Especially if it gets help from Gen on the writing. ”

    Seconded.
    Kana-tan yelling “SABER” or Sakurai Takahiro screaming “EX—–CALIBUR!!!!!” itself is reason enough for wanting to watch Prototype xDDD
    Also, nice cast there: Nakamura Yuuichi, Toyosaki Aki, Miyano Mamoru…

  3. Mentar Said,

    January 2, 2012 @ 6:53 pm

    Well… I guess I should watch it first. But I think that the commercialization of the Fate franchise should END somewhere.

    I’d rather want to get a new original anime from Urobuchi Gen instead. Oh look, that’s what we’ll get in October 2012. Yay ^_^

  4. Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,

    January 2, 2012 @ 8:12 pm

    Wouldn’t it be hillarious if it turns out the new original anime IS Fate/Prototype?

    ( ゚∀゚)アハハ八八ノヽノヽノヽノ \ / \/ \

  5. Azure Said,

    January 2, 2012 @ 9:02 pm

    Gen Urobuchi being such a troll…
    That might just happen…

  6. Mentar Said,

    January 2, 2012 @ 9:02 pm

    Well… I’d still watch it with excitement, of course, but somehow I’d prefer him to work on something entirely new. That’s one of the reasons why Madoka turned out so well – he was not constricted by any franchise and create the setting just like HE wanted to. Give Urobuchi Gen a good studio and sufficient budget and STAY THE F*CK OUT OF HIS STORY, then things will end up fine :)

  7. AidanAK47 Said,

    January 3, 2012 @ 12:22 am

    @Mentar, while Gen is a very good writer he is not without his flaws. He really needs to work on his characters. It’s his biggest weakness. Fate/zero has excellent characters because contrary to what most people think Nasu (Nasu’s strength = Excellent characters) did help with the story.
    Besides just giving Gen a good animation studio and leaving everything up to him is not a guaranteed success. Case in point, Blassreiter.

  8. Soranul Said,

    January 3, 2012 @ 7:36 am

    it might actually be their new anime, cause they said the first version of fate/stay night, they had saber as a guy king arthur and the master is a girl, they decided to change the setting since the master is the main character they wanted it to be a guy since its originally an R-18 visual novel

    considering the title fate/prototype, it might really be the version they originally created.

  9. Skribulous Said,

    January 3, 2012 @ 2:59 pm

    Crap, I need to buy volume 3. Must get my hands on a legit copy of the new Melty Blood game.

    The October 2012 anime is clearly Fate/Apocrypha. It’s got Show ▼

  10. Mentar Said,

    January 3, 2012 @ 6:25 pm

    AidanAK47: Excuse me? Since when is GONZO a “good animation studio”? It was always considered to be bottom of the barrel. And while Urobuchi Gen wrote the scenario, AFAIK the story was done and directed by someone else. Finally: The story in itself was pretty good, Blassreiter is one of the most-underestimated shows I remember (many people were immediately diss-dropping it after they saw it was GONZO with alot of computer graphics).

    Nasu is a pretentious idiot, sorry for being so blunt. And other that he’s good friends with him, he was not really involved in Fate Zero (which started out as NOVELS from Urobuchi Gen).

    So, for me this is just one more reason why I’d like to get a new story from Urobuchi Gen _without_ the constraints that the Nasubabble-Universe is putting on him.

  11. Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,

    January 3, 2012 @ 8:34 pm

    That’s very… frank, Mentar.

    Also Blassreiter wasn’t that bad. Average I would say. Thank god for Kana-tan in it. Also Itou Shizuka.

  12. Sheba Said,

    January 3, 2012 @ 8:57 pm

    I think that Fate Prototype is how it might have been if it Nasu did not have to cater to the audience fo eroge. Perhaps, it could have been better as an alternate “what if” novel. I almost got Highlander vibes from that meeting between Arthur and Gilgamesh at the train station.

  13. Mentar Said,

    January 3, 2012 @ 9:55 pm

    Kurogane: On second thought, I was probably being a bit too blunt indeed. So I’ll retract the “idiot”, but the “pretentious” sticks. It was getting particularly nasty in the KnK franchise, but seriously, Nasu’s habit to start longish monologues of pointless blah (called Nasubabble for a good reason), which fans of his are hailing to contain some deep meaning (which it generally doesn’t), annoys me to no end.

    I think that with the exception of the slightly esoteric ending, I have no qualms with the Blassreiter storyline at all. Especially in the middle, the catastrophe run where pretty much everything goes to hell within 2 episodes, was wonderful. I’d give it a 7.5 out of 10, which is above average in my book.

    So, let’s see where it goes. I’d pick a fully-original Urobuchi Gen script over anything Nasu-tainted in a heartbeat.

  14. AidanAK47 Said,

    January 3, 2012 @ 10:39 pm

    @Mentar, Perhaps I should have said Decent animation studio. I am sorry, I was mistaken about Blassreiter. When watching I thought Gen wrote everything but it seems he only wrote 8 episodes of the show.

    Perhaps I should have been clear. By working together I mean that Gen was the writer and Nasu was the consultant. You really can see some points of his influence in the story of fate/zero. By the way I am not the kind of type of Type moon fan for that speech. I am well aware of Nasu’s weaknesses. Yes, his infodumps are terrible. I hell he couldn’t even say “Archer is from the future” without overcomplicating it. Also his overall storytelling is flawed. However Nasu’s stories does have great characters, that is a fact.

    But it seems you haven’t noticed Gen’s weakness’s yet. I have read and seen many of his works. Even that equilibrium fan fiction he wrote. In all I noticed that his characters are defined by situation. Many are not overly complex and to be honest when thinking of his stories I read in the past I have difficultly remembering the names of the characters. Were as with Nasu I could list them all out.

    Listen mate, they are both great writers in there own rights. Even I prefer Gen over Nasu. But they aren’t perfect. They are human after all.

  15. Mentar Said,

    January 3, 2012 @ 11:31 pm

    AidanAK47: You’re raising an interesting point here, come to think of it. I think I understand (and agree with) what you’re trying to say about “characters defined by situation”. One of Gen’s traits is the fact that his characters react LOGICALLY to the situations they’re in. Meaning that to a certain degree they’re “driven” (or defined, like you put it) by the situation. But is this really a bad thing?

    All too many writers take the different approach: They make the characters flashy and distinct, and then think up a couple of highlight scenes in which they shine. But in turn, they neglect the inner consistency of the story, leading to an uneven storyline with usually some cop-outs particularly at the endings. Where the characters suddenly seem to act out-of-character, and the conclusion feels railroaded. Gen works the other way round: He takes alot of effort to make sure that what happens does happen for a good reason, and the characters going through the loops are defined by the experiences they’re living through. And maybe it’s a matter of preference, but I definitely prefer this approach.

    Take Phantom of Inferno (the VN) for example, which I still consider the best VN that I ever played. One might rightfully accuse Zwei of being a fairly plain main character (compare him to Tohsaka Rin for laughs), but that never irked me. Claudia was interesting in both her paths, and Cal/Drei was simply fantastic particularly in her ending (which should have been picked by the anime instead, by the way). No problems here for me. I also had no problem with any girl in Madoka, too, for example, they all had their own distinct style.

    I guess Saya no Uta is a good example for both our positions: Except for Saya, I don’t recall a single name. And so what? I didn’t NEED to. I’m usually averse to horror stories, but this was the first time where a writer could give me the feeling that I “understood” what cause someone to commit multiple murders while maintaining the feeling to do the right thing. So, as long as the story is highly consistent and compelling, I don’t NEED it to be driven by flashy poster boys/girls. John Doe is just fine. See what I mean?

  16. T_I Said,

    January 4, 2012 @ 12:58 am

    Nasubabble can be amusing

    observe

    http://subatomicbrainfreeze.typepad.com/subatomic_brainfreeze/2009/02/kinoko-nasus-american-football.html

  17. AidanAK47 Said,

    January 4, 2012 @ 2:47 am

    No, I don’t think it’s a bad thing. When looking at Gen’s characters they certainly do feel realistic. For Gen’s style it certainly is a good thing for his characters to act logically in dire situations.

    But realistic characters are not very memorable. The wonderful thing about fiction is that character doesn’t need to be realistic. Just feasible. I can honestly say that I highly doubt a person like Shiro Emiya could possibly exist. However I cannot say it’s completely impossible for someone like Shiro Emiya to exist. In that regard it makes me interested in how someone who is so remarkably different from normal human beings would react in dangerous situations. Add to that a characters philosophy, reactions to real life problems and even what they do in there spare time can really define them. I mean what does Homera and Saya do on boring days? How would Ein react to a religious zealot? I know in cases these can be boring but to find that a character has a similar hobbies or world view to you can make you grow attached to them and in turn care more when they are placed in a dangerous situation or even killed. In retrospective I believe this is what makes Visual novels more gripping than anime at times.

    Muv Luv alternative is a great example of a flawed excellent visual novel. It has the info-dumps and the melodrama was dragged out like hell. But the pay-off was great enough to make you forgive that. Once the action started you were glued to it. Sorry I am getting sidetracked. My point is that if we learn just a bit more about the characters then this would make the point were Gen kills them off more powerful and effective.
    I understand that Madoka was a anime that didn’t have time for this kind of development and novels like Saya and Kikokugai – The Cyber Slayer- where too short for this. I also understand that these quiet moments diminish the overall quality of the story but I feel it would make the great moments truly shine. A story doesn’t need to be 100% perfect.
    But as you said, it’s a matter of preference.

  18. Ben Said,

    January 4, 2012 @ 5:26 am

    characters become memorable if they are dynamic, meaning they change a lot during the course of the story. It has nothing to do with realistic or not realistic. To me Shiro Emiya is a boring character, because he stays the same during all of Fate/Staynight ( i’m a good guy, im a hero, i will protect everyone blah blah). I’m not saying he’s not a likable character, but he’s boring, his character would have been much better if his personality and ideals changed during the course of the story.

    I do like the Fate/Zero characters cause most of them are so dynamic, take for example Waver Velvet who is starting to gain more confidence in himself with the help of his servant ishkandr. And Kotomine who in the beggining thinks he has no desires but with archer’s poking and prodding he finds out that he is in fact a human being and has a desire although he doesnt know what it is yet.

  19. AidanAK47 Said,

    January 4, 2012 @ 10:20 am

    “I’m not saying he’s not a likable character, but he’s boring, his character would have been much better if his personality and ideals changed during the course of the story.”

    Heavens feel. Nuff said.

  20. DocAstaroth Said,

    January 5, 2012 @ 5:55 am

    Fate/Prototype´s heroine has awoken my interest. She has a good balance between weakness and strenght in my opinion.

    By the way, already heard about Red Dragon?

    http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2011-12-10/madoka-magica/fate/durarara-creators-unite-on-red-dragon

    Now this sounds awesome!

  21. d-one Said,

    January 7, 2012 @ 1:34 am

    Just for information, in his last interview, Gen admit that most of the story in Fate/Zero already planned by Nasu and he only write it with that direction. And Emiya Shirou personality can only be understand fully if you finish the game since Shirou’s development is different in every route (he even throw away his dream in HF)

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