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Oh Iskandar….. where should I get that shirt from?

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If I had a chance to grant the Grail to someone, there would not be any one else more worthy of it than Iskandar in my books.

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Fuck yeah! Ionian Hetairoi! This was more impressive than I imagined it to be *trembles*.

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Assassin’s Status: ☑ Told.

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Saber’s Status:
☐ Told.
☐ Fucking Told.
☑ King ArTOLD.

Pretty much a talking episode, this somehow still becomes one the best of episodes of the series to date, thanks to the sheer presence of Iskandar and Gil. I fucking loved how Iskandar totally schooled Saber about how distorted her beliefs are, especially in regards to her motions of kingship and her own regrets. Really, this is why I never did like Saber much, even if she is the main heroine of the series. Iskandar sure went straight to the jugular for that.

The icing on top of the cake was definitely the manifestation of Ionian Hetairoi by Iskandar, in front of two of his strongest enemies, to mow down Assassin. Really, what was Kotomine thinking by sending them all to their deaths like that. Well, I guess there’s no use in a hidden knife that’s public knowledge (after Rider finding out) , so sending them all to their deaths was probably a pragmatic decision by Kotomine as well.

Ahh… there’s only two more episodes left. Amazing how fast time flies.

61 Comments

  1. edru Said,

    December 11, 2011 @ 4:42 pm

    saber deserves all of that. she doesnt deserve to be a king.

    count me in as a fanboy of broskander now. I was just rather loose on him since I just thought he’d be a hammy and tough guy who is friendly with others. now he’s one of my list of faves.

  2. Mesozo Said,

    December 11, 2011 @ 4:49 pm

    Bitch got owned.

    Get back in the kitchen and make Shirou a sandwich.

  3. Das Said,

    December 11, 2011 @ 4:53 pm

    With this … I’m officially gay.

  4. Jack Said,

    December 11, 2011 @ 4:54 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhAUbWnMO5k

    Epic Noble Phantasm.

  5. takashid Said,

    December 11, 2011 @ 5:10 pm

    Das: that’s okay. Rider is basically Fate Zero’s Archer(from FSN), the guy we are all gar for :P

  6. Shin Said,

    December 11, 2011 @ 5:11 pm

    If COSPA doesn’t release that shirt female assassin heads will roll

  7. Random_Passerby_Number_612 Said,

    December 11, 2011 @ 5:26 pm

    The decision was dictated by Tokiomi, and the plan was “make Rider show his trump card, then retreat with as few losses as possible”. Unfortunately, there was nowhere to retreat.

  8. AozuAkazu Said,

    December 11, 2011 @ 5:43 pm

    One of the best episodes to date in my opinion. I’m STILL recoiling from the magnificence that is Iskandar and his Noble Phantasm.

  9. Someone Said,

    December 11, 2011 @ 5:55 pm

    Two episodes left? What?

  10. Aen Said,

    December 11, 2011 @ 6:19 pm

    yea, it’s a two-cour show, but there’s gonna be a break in between. So two more episodes, and then the show’s second half will resume in april ’12

  11. Kgfj Said,

    December 11, 2011 @ 7:22 pm

    Fucking love iskandar. Seriously, i fucking want him to win the grail. And i think he has a very valid wish of wanting to be reincarnated. After that, he totally needs to be a president or a king of a big country, because that is just how GAR and charismatic he is!! Sadly we all know that is not going to happen :(

  12. blkmage Said,

    December 11, 2011 @ 9:29 pm

    You’ll have to go to ufotable’s booth at C81 to get that shirt.

  13. Giovanni Said,

    December 11, 2011 @ 9:38 pm

    I found it highly amusing that Broskander was able to do reduce King Arthur into a broken blonde girl in a single speech.

    Also, anyone else here notice the black-haired dude in Rider’s army? Guy, totally looks like a grown up Waver. And if my guess is right that he’s Hephaestion….well…then…heheh….the yaoi fangirls are going to have another field day.

  14. Skribulous Said,

    December 11, 2011 @ 10:00 pm

    Was that Future Waver El-Melloi and Future Archer EMIYA in the army? Holy crap, Iskander conquered the Throne of Heroes while no one was looking…

  15. T.K. Said,

    December 11, 2011 @ 10:09 pm

    Mind=blown. Oh and now that Saber has been reduced to a mere blonde girl I demand more scenes of Iri X Saber symmetrical docking!

  16. Organics Said,

    December 11, 2011 @ 10:40 pm

    This episode justified my decision to continue watching this show. No idea why Archer even showed up, though. Is he really that bored?

  17. Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,

    December 11, 2011 @ 11:28 pm

    Did you even watch the episode? Iskandar invited Gil to the party.

  18. Organics Said,

    December 11, 2011 @ 11:33 pm

    Er, yeah, I got that. Just wasn’t sure why he agreed to it.

  19. Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,

    December 11, 2011 @ 11:36 pm

    He’s just whimsical like that. Plus, he pretty much thinks he’s untouchable by everyone else. No harm going for a banquet with two other kings to have a chat. Not like Tokiomi’s keeping a close rein on him (not that he could anyways).

    Besides, the Holy Grail War is pretty much the only chance three heroic kings from three different eras could share a cup of wine and talk about kingly stuff :D

  20. Obligatory Drama CD Version Said,

    December 11, 2011 @ 11:49 pm

    The Feast of Kings, just after Saber tells of her wish:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DLlL9v3gMM
    For those who want to get an idea of what was cut out, at least until the Blu-Rays come out.

    Can’t stop listening to Archer’s laugh.

  21. AidanAK47 Said,

    December 12, 2011 @ 12:12 am

    To be fair I feel it’s wrong to consider Saber to be the main heroine of Fate/stay night. To me Sakura seemed to be the real main heroine. After all her route solved everything and out of all the girls she was the only one Shiro gave up his ideals for.

  22. ewok40k Said,

    December 12, 2011 @ 12:14 am

    “But the truest victory, my son, lies in stirring the hearts of your people” – WOW Wrath of the Lich King opening…

  23. Zabran-sama Said,

    December 12, 2011 @ 1:05 am

    Broskander definately ranks high in my list after this episode, though im still more of a Gilgamesh fan =P

  24. Organics Said,

    December 12, 2011 @ 1:21 am

    Kuro: I suppose that makes sense. Part of me thought he was doing it to tweak his master’s nose.

  25. Izendale Said,

    December 12, 2011 @ 1:23 am

    is it me or is ufotable really running out of money?
    quite a few off-model shots can be found this ep.
    but nevertheless, EPIC ARMY

  26. Tim Said,

    December 12, 2011 @ 2:23 am

    @Aidan – Saber is the main heroine of FSN in the same sense that Arcueid is the main heroine of Tsukihime. They each occupy one route amongst many in the game, but most of the merchandising and spin-offs center around them by simple virtue of the fact that they are the most well known and popular.

    Anyone else think the servant at 2:39 of this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhAUbWnMO5k) looks like older Waver? http://images.wikia.com/typemoon/images/b/b9/Melloi2.png for comparison.

  27. Kryptik Said,

    December 12, 2011 @ 6:05 am

    There’s a certain amount of poignancy the way they had the moon shadowed over Saber’s face the moment Iskander broke her.

    And I think another important reason why Saber is considered the main heroine is that she’s Shirou’s counterpart. She, deep down inside, is as much an idealist as he is, and all too easily knows the pain of being betrayed by your own ideals. It’s a parallel, really. In a way, Saber becomes to Shirou what Kiritsugu was to Saber herself in the 4th war.

  28. Yue Said,

    December 12, 2011 @ 6:11 am

    I think most of us were shaking just as much as Fem Ass(assin) as Broskander charged, but from excitement than fear. But didn’t she put up a fight in the sound drama?

    Also couldn’t Kirie have used his command seal to recall assassin?

  29. Ithekro Said,

    December 12, 2011 @ 7:00 am

    Reminds me of the Ride of the Rohirram. Theoden King would be proud of that army. But because he was written by a Brit, he’d probably be more inline with Saber’s ideology. Yet he did know to inspire his troops and lead from the front. The only thing he didn’t get in his last battle was the chance to tell off the orcs like Rider does here to Assassin before cutting them all down. He does give the rally speech though. Aragon on the other hand was able to tell off the enemy before his battle.

  30. Acre Said,

    December 12, 2011 @ 7:25 am

    …by popular demand, Iskander winning the grail and using it in the bro-est manner possible is Canon

  31. remm Said,

    December 12, 2011 @ 9:39 am

    Just curious, where could I get these sound drama you all keep mentioning?

  32. Bean Said,

    December 12, 2011 @ 2:55 pm

    I…actually found my respect for Iskander somewhat diminished after this episode. All he really did, in my opinion, was make an elequent speech justifying a ridiculously large ego, covered by remarkably eloquent reasoning.

    To me, he’s just the opposite end of the spectrum from Arturia, and equally laughable. The best king would be someone about halfway between them.

  33. Roarke Said,

    December 12, 2011 @ 3:22 pm

    King Broskandar’s Reality Marble is Bro-ken.

  34. Tang Said,

    December 12, 2011 @ 4:01 pm

    tbh, Rider’s biggest ownage of Saber this episode didn’t come from any particular comments, but just from the existence of his Reality Marble. It’s a bit hard to tell from the anime, but in the novel, upon just seeing what Rider’s NP was:
    ‘These heroes rode alongside their king on the battlefield; their wager, like the king’s, was the king’s dream.
    Not even death could stop their ending loyalty. The King of Conquerors turned it into a fitting Noble Phantasm.
    Saber was shaken to her core. It wasn’t the strength of the Noble Phantasm that she was afraid of, it was the fact that such a Noble Phantasm had de-stabilized her beliefs. It shook the beliefs that she held in pride.
    This flawless cooperation…
    This bond with subjects that became a Noble Phantasm…
    It was something that the idealistic King of Knights pursued for her whole life, yet even to the end, it was something she could not obtain.’

    In a way, it really just drives Rider’s point home. Saber ruled in a way that she thought would be best for her people, but they couldn’t truly understand her since she didn’t really lead them and thus there never was any real connection. Rider ruled for himself, yet in a way that stirred his followers hearts, forging a connection between him and them that literally ends up surpassing space and time.

  35. Elrickeyblade Said,

    December 12, 2011 @ 4:04 pm

    I don’t think Saber deserves TOO much rebuttal or hate; while I agree that she was a bit too much of an idealist, I don’t think she was ENTIRELY wrong in her ideals. If she had incorporated some of Rider’s ideals into her rule in terms of showing emotion, I think she would have been fine.

    Also, one must consider the circumstances she grew up in. Didn’t she witness several raids and invasions as she was growing up, and hope for a day when someone could stop them all and secure peace for her people? (I’m going by the manga here) And she even knew when she took the Sword out of the Stone that her kingdom was destined to fail, yet she still stepped up to the plate. I believe her idealism mainly came from her wish to protect and save everyone, and shouldn’t be so much stomped on as it seems a lot of people are doing on here. f^^;;

    And also, no mention of how Gilgamesh told Saber she may be “more worthy of his love” at the end of the episode? (Sorry, closet GilxSaber fan here!) Though I’m personally disappointed that they took out a lot of his lines from the novel, especially the ones that explain more about how he got so attracted to (read: in lust with o.o) Saber during this war. Here’s to hoping the blu-ray version will add those lines in…

  36. Ithekro Said,

    December 12, 2011 @ 4:25 pm

    Sooo, where does Archer sit in the realm of Kings compared to Saber and Rider? Aside from being wealthy beyond imagination and arrogant beyond unsufferable. He is no idealist, and he doesn’t seem the type to lead and inpire his men. So what is he?

  37. ewok40k Said,

    December 12, 2011 @ 4:49 pm

    I’d put Archer as absolutist, in the vein of “the state is me”. He does care about the state, but only because he considers it his own personal propriety.

  38. Roarke Said,

    December 12, 2011 @ 5:28 pm

    Archer’s version of kingship seems infinitely close to godhood, if you ask me. He doesn’t exemplify the goals of his people or serve their future. He stands fully above everything else, yet owns it all, and doesn’t interact with the rest except to “judge” it. Even Iskandar gives a little back by ruling and leading, though he doesn’t consider that a “sacrifice” the was Saber’s sacrificing herself.

    But maybe I’m wrong, and maybe Archer was the epitome of condescension in a kingdom of arrogant bastards.

  39. Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,

    December 12, 2011 @ 6:34 pm

    You know, Iskandar’s version of kingship might sound bloody selfish, but it’s also the most human of the three. People, in the end, do not really care if the King is ACTUALLY ruling or not, but whether if he is SEEN to be leading.

    In that area, Saber might ACTUALLY be ruling, but it’s worthless if their subjects do not think she is leading. Her biggest fault was probably failing to give the impression to her subjects that she was doing such.

    Iskandar, on the other hand, dreamt big and didn’t hesitate to do big things. It inspires others and that impression is more than enough to make everyone acknowledge him.

    In a way, ruling is like justice, it has to be seen to be implemented. Of course, that does not mean Arthur’s kingship was worth less than Iskandar’s rule but the impression it leaves on others is a whole lot different.

    And that still doesn’t diminish the fact that Saber’s own beliefs are distorting her views of her own accomplishments.

  40. Elrickeyblade Said,

    December 12, 2011 @ 8:22 pm

    @Kurogane I don’t think Saber’s failure was actually the people failing to see her rule, but more in tune with the fact that she never showed any emotion and thus was seen as someone who never understood the hearts of others. After all, there’s a reason why her sword was said to carry the light of “undefeated battles” and “glory” and such; she really did lead her people in terms of victory on the battlefield.

    But I do agree with you that Iskander was far more human in his rule. Man, if I fulfilled the awesome requirement I would join his army too! o.o

    Jokes aside, though, I agree that between Iskander and Saber, one’s rule didn’t really trump the other- both accomplished many great things during their reigns. The main problem Rider seems to have with Saber is that she wants to UNDO the things she accomplished to save the lives of the people who died when her kingdom was destroyed, and he wants to stop her from a notion he views as childish. Too bad she doesn’t comprehend this until the next Grail War. :(

  41. Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,

    December 12, 2011 @ 8:30 pm

    @Elrickeyblade: That’s why I said “lead”. Leading people invariably leads to understanding their hearts and feelings in order to bring about the best results possible. You can’t be a good leader without having a grasp on that. This is why Iskandar said Saber might have been saving her people, but she never “led” them.

  42. Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,

    December 12, 2011 @ 8:32 pm

    Also it shows in their legacies.

    Mention Alexander the Great and everyone immediately knows he built a massive empire and nearly conquered the entire known world.

    Mention King Arthur and all everyone remembers is his sword and his wizard :/

  43. SnooSnoo Said,

    December 12, 2011 @ 8:36 pm

    @Ithekro
    “he doesn’t seem the type to lead and inpire his men”

    > Saber – Charisma Rank B
    > Gilgamesh – Charisma Rank A

    Go figure

  44. ewok40k Said,

    December 12, 2011 @ 10:11 pm

    what would be the charisma ranking for the Iskander, then? :P

  45. Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,

    December 12, 2011 @ 10:45 pm

    Iskandar’s Charisma Ranking is A as well.

  46. Izendale Said,

    December 12, 2011 @ 10:45 pm

    @ewok

    dunno, over 9000?

  47. Random_Passerby_Number_612 Said,

    December 13, 2011 @ 12:26 am

    Gil’s Charisma is A+ rank, higher than Iskandar’s. It is said to be at the level of a CURSE that compels people into following him just by him being there.

  48. Bean Said,

    December 13, 2011 @ 3:08 am

    @Kurogane

    re: your legacy comment

    I think you’re overgeneralizing. Because my first thought, having read a bit of both legends was:
    Iskander: Carved a bloody swath through opposing countries, conquering as he went.
    Arthur: United Britain under one Rule.

    In terms of war and the results of it, Arthur’s legacy is preferable-though that’s just my opinion.

  49. Tim Said,

    December 13, 2011 @ 3:40 am

    @Bean – And yet Arthur’s uniting of Britain was, in legend, accomplished with very little personal effort – all he had to do was pull out a sword, and all of Britain accepted it, and him.

    The central point of the whole Arthurian tragedy (and it is a tragedy) was that it was a grand dream which left no room for human failure. Its crucial, key elements, in the end, could not live up to the ideals they espoused. Arthur gave in to lust, sleeping with his sister to produce Mordred. The perfect knight, Lancelot, gave in to love, abandoning his duty in the face of years of pent up feelings for Guinevere, Arthur’s wife. Gawain, Lancelot’s close second, gave in to hatred and revenge, being unable to find it within himself to forgive Lancelot.

    The fall of Camelot finds its roots in the failures of these three, key figures. Arthur’s indiscretion produces Mordred, the man who eventually destroys his kingdom. Lancelot’s affair with Guinevere splits the Round Table and robs Arthur of his most able knights at his time of dire need. Gawain’s anger forces war between Arthur and Lancelot and eventually takes his life, also robbing Camelot of one of its foremost defenders.

    The ‘tragedy’ of Camelot lies in the naivete of the concepts that underpin the kingdom. Arthur and his knights dream too big, and eventually find themselves incapable of living up to the standards they have themselves set. In this respect, whilst the fall of Alexander’s kingdom is more a consequence of the power vacuum left in his wake and the absence of a strong sense of leadership progression, the fall of Arthur’s Britain is his own fault.

  50. Tim Said,

    December 13, 2011 @ 3:59 am

    @Bean – Insofar as ‘legacy’ is concerned, however, more pertinent is the manner in which the two are remembered. Study the life of Alexander the Great and you will inevitably be led to the likes of Herodotus, whose focus is on Alexander’s accomplishments and the personal characteristics that earned him the epithet ‘The Great.’ Even with the collapse of his empire, his exploits nonetheless spread Hellenism all over the Middle East and Asia, establishing multiple cities built on the Greek city state model, and affecting the political and social climate of those countries for centuries to come.

    Study Arthurian legend and literature, on the other hand, and one inevitably begins with Mallory’s Le Morte D’Arthur – the chronicle of the tragic fall of Arthur’s kingdom. Alexander’s accomplishments result in long-lasting change. Arthur’s do not. His accomplishments are extinguished by history, and leave no lasting impression on Britain.

  51. Kryptik Said,

    December 13, 2011 @ 4:00 am

    Gil is the materialist: He sees things as possessions or possessions to be, and only cares enough about them to the point where he can claim them as his and his alone. As someone said, he seems to view his Kingdom and State the same precise way: only so long as he keeps it does he care.

    Saber is the martyr. She wants to bear the cross by herself, because she feels it’s her duty and hers alone, but the biggest problem is that she did not inspire in the same way that other martyrs did, because she didn’t seem to even allow herself to even share her beliefs with masses enough to connect with her. She withdrew more and more because she felt she couldn’t allow anyone else her burden, and it buried her.

    Iskander, is the idol. I mean that in a more modern connotation rather than the religious one. He is the archetype, the pinnacle, the one you look on as top dog with both envy and awe. Like he said, he embodied everything a king was seen to be, for good or for ill, because that way it inspired people either to see what life was like at the top, or to rise in hopes of usurping that top.

    Three different ideas of kingship, but only one seemed to truly inspire people. And I think the most twisted part of Saber’s is the idea that she doesn’t want to just go back in time to stop Britain’s fall. The only way she thought to do that was to FIND A BETTER KING. She lost belief in herself as a King to the point her big idea was to abdicate her throne to someone else

    I think that’s where Iskander is the most cutting. He doesn’t recognize her as a king, because she doesn’t really recognize herself as one either.

  52. Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,

    December 13, 2011 @ 7:16 am

    Iskandar also had the (mis?)fortune of dying at his prime, therefore cementing his fame and legacy.

  53. Ithekro Said,

    December 13, 2011 @ 11:33 am

    Does Saber ever give her impression of modern Britain in any of the stories. Her people eventually made an Empire were the sun never set. It would fall, to a point, eventually. After being bleed dry of most of its best men in two World Wars and the lose of so many resources in those wars that it could not hold on to the Empire and maintian the homelands…and the homelands always comes first. (that and the” subversive” concept of American liberty and freedom among the Commonwealth and Empire during the Second World War seems to have sealed the Empire’s fate).
    But Britain still stands. Unless Saber doesn’t see modern Britain as her Britain. If I remember the timeline correctly…aside from her kingdom falling, the island would be taken by the Normans in 1066…the last time England was invaded from Europe.

  54. Athos Said,

    December 14, 2011 @ 3:24 am

    They stained Iskandar’s shirt.

    Clearly, they deserved to die.

  55. Zanpacto_O Said,

    December 14, 2011 @ 3:25 pm

    @ Organics
    Why Gilgamesh goes to the banquet?
    ☑ pissing off Tokiomi
    ☑ telling other kings they are just mongrels
    ☑ proving he has the best wine
    ☑ bored
    ☑ probably finished drinking the wine in Tokiomis cellar
    ☑ admiring saber while being verbaly humiliated
    ☑ showing of his FABULOUS MAX armour
    Can’t think of any more but hey who knows…

  56. ReddyRedWolf Said,

    December 15, 2011 @ 10:49 am

    @Ithekro

    Arthur was a Welsh legend,Saber is a native Briton, the ones she was protecting Britain from were Anglo Saxons and Vikings. Britain would face invasions and emigration which would lead to its current make up.

    As Iskandar pointed out she would undo her own and her country’s history. Which is childish. Iskandar left his mark on the world and did not regret it.

  57. oldpier Said,

    December 16, 2011 @ 3:29 pm

    2 years too late yo.
    http://www.typemoon.com/event/c74/index_partner.html#hobibox

  58. Fic Said,

    December 18, 2011 @ 12:05 pm

    @Aidan

    “To me Sakura seemed to be the real main heroine.”

    I think I just vomited in my mouth a little.

  59. GaiganF3 Said,

    March 9, 2012 @ 4:27 am

    @TimSaid

    Huh? The reason Saber is considered the main heroine is because she is much more popular then Sakura. Nothing to with her ideals or anything. Her route was also the shortest and she was more like a supporting character in more then 70% of the game.

  60. Admin Reiji Said,

    April 2, 2012 @ 1:56 pm

    This is my favorite episode so far…It sent chills on my spine while Rider is lecturing about what a real king is. It was also the first time that I thought of Arthur as a martyr rather than a king. The script writer of Fate/Zero is really good to be able to think of conflicts between the concept of kingship along the different historical wars whether its real life or fictional.

    Looking forward to the clash of these 3 kings in the next season :)

  61. RaveMaster Said,

    June 1, 2012 @ 6:13 am

    People need to stop comparing Arcuied with Saber. Arcuied is the main female character of Tsukihime. Her route is the main story of Tsukihime. In FSN there is no main female character. Saber is considered the main heroine because of popularity and merchandise.

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