Fate/Zero 07

Fate/Zero

ISKANDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!! MAIL-ORDER LOL. OH GOD LAUGHING OS HARD…. CAN’T BREATHE.

Goddamn it, Iskandar. WTF u doing mang? Someone add him to the cast of Carnival Phantasm already. He’d fit right in immediately.

The rest of the episode, thankfully, focused on the showdown between the other Masters and Caster in the Einzbern forest. Lancer sure had a cool moment there with Saber.

Fate/Zero

Yeaaaaah. Too bad being Lancer is always suffering :(. Even in Carnival Phantasm.

Kayneth and Kiritsugu also face off each other, very ironic considering their Servants are doing the exact opposite. And the BGM for fight scenes are as beautiful as expected. Damn, can’t wait for the soundtrack to be out so I can enjoy them in their full glory.

31 Comments

  1. AozuAkazu Said,

    November 13, 2011 @ 3:23 pm

    Caster remains to completely freak me out. Iskandar is the probably the only servant that would defeat another just for the sake of XXXL pants huhuhu

  2. Skribulous Said,

    November 13, 2011 @ 3:56 pm

    Carnival Phantasm needs to be an ongoing series. It’s the only way to get the Fate/Zero cast in. While we’re at it, throw in the rest of the Fate/Extra cast besides the many Sabers we got already.

    Bluebeard is a whole level of crazy on his own. I look forward to the Blu-Rays.

    Kayneth is still a douche. He really needs to suffer.

  3. Fencedude Said,

    November 13, 2011 @ 3:58 pm

    While we’re at it, throw in the rest of the Fate/Extra cast besides the many Sabers we got already.

    Saber Extra and Iskander MUST MEET

    It would be GLORIOUS beyond measure.

    Umu!

  4. ewok40k Said,

    November 13, 2011 @ 4:30 pm

    where do i order that t-shirt? :P

  5. marvelous stan Said,

    November 13, 2011 @ 4:52 pm

    Yeah I’d buy that shirt.

    Watching Kayneth’s metalblob cut things up is fun. It was just a cool spell.

  6. ewok40k Said,

    November 13, 2011 @ 5:33 pm

    but Kiritsugu has the last evil smile when he does produce his custom elephant pistol and my caption is “DISPEL THIS!”

  7. takashid Said,

    November 13, 2011 @ 5:34 pm

    “Saber Extra and Iskander MUST MEET”

    oh.
    oh god.
    that would be like, the BEST THING EVER
    They would be SUCH BROS.

  8. ewok40k Said,

    November 13, 2011 @ 5:43 pm

    btw, Saber tentacle rape doujins anyone? :P

  9. randompasserby Said,

    November 13, 2011 @ 6:59 pm

    Hmmm is it just me rooting for kayneth then? Well more like rooting for anyone against kiritsugu really…At least that silver blob thing is more interesting to watch than bombing, sniping/trapping the shit out of things, regardless of efficiency xD

    I still can’t put my finger on it but kiritsugu annoys me, somehow. And seeing him suddenly angsting and not giving a fuck to saber did not improve my opinions

  10. ewok40k Said,

    November 13, 2011 @ 7:57 pm

    Well, Kiritsugu show the hypocrisy of the mages who openly despise his underhanded metods, but secretly pay him well to use those metods against their enemies… while Kayneth is a snobish aristocrat whose power relies on inherited artifacts and spells.
    Kiritsugu’s treatment of Saber does bother me, though. Especially as he doesnt mind Caster doing more serial killings while Kiritsugu hunts those who hunt Caster, which is obviously conflicting with Saber’s sense of honor and duty.
    One interesting aspect of parallel battles going on, is if Kiritsugu kills Kayneth, will Lancer disappear leaving Saber again alone – though with second hand healed – vs Caster?

  11. Kryptik Said,

    November 14, 2011 @ 2:39 am

    The issue with Kiritsugu is that he’s the most dangerous sort of cynic: the scorned idealist. Deep down inside, he wants to be Superman, but acts like Punisher because he has trouble reconciling his ultimate goal of ‘saving everyone’ and ‘protecting the world’ with the reality that ‘you can’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs’. Not only that, but as you can see, he really does want to be selfish and take his family away from it all, but he’s too committed to wanting to be a ‘hero’ even if it stains his hands with blood because he knows if he doesn’t, someone else will, with graver intentions.

    He’s a hypocrite, and he knows that, but he also knows in the real world, heroes are met with either derision (for the idealist) or hate (for the utilitarian). Deep down, he really is like Shirou. Way too much like Shirou. He’s just much more aware of how much of a hypocrite he is (and needs to be) than SHirou was.

  12. Zleihsh Said,

    November 14, 2011 @ 2:44 am

    Iskandar never cease to amaze me…..it is interesting to see him trying to fit-in in the modern world. I LOL when he is willing to battle a Servant just so he can get his XXXL pants and with such a serious face too!
    I like the battle music this time, it tops all the others so far, and it really gets me in the mood. Lancer and Saber is going to kick ass.
    However, the cliffhanger kills me, why, WHY?! WHY does it has to end when Kiritsugu is about to fire?!
    Again, the animation is wonderful as always.
    Also, why did Kiritsugu call out his name before shooting? Isn’t it easier to just shoot? The waiting is painful….

  13. Random_Passerby_Number_612 Said,

    November 14, 2011 @ 6:20 am

    >> Also, why did Kiritsugu call out his name before shooting?

    I’d say he wanted Kayneth to block, judging from that smile of his when he took out the Contender.

  14. Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,

    November 14, 2011 @ 6:59 am

    Well obviously part of his master plan. Remember kids, he is a trained mage assassin. And very successful one to boot.

  15. ewok40k Said,

    November 14, 2011 @ 7:06 am

    Im inclined to think he has depleted phlebotinum shield-breaker ammo loaded…

  16. manga Said,

    November 14, 2011 @ 7:28 am

    Well for Kiritsugu it feels as if he wanted to live in peace as a father. But he has to be the emotionless killer because of how things worked out.

    I would say that he has two faces. One of the loving father and one of the “get it done one way or another” killer that everyone is afraid of.

    His desperation in this episode where he wants to grab his wife and kid and run away shows the man he has become. Ordering Saber not to fight against Caster to get free shots at the other masters is the other side of him. The coldly calculating murder.

    And I have to defend his action. If Caster were to search frantic after Saber, other servants could close in with their Masters. Kill the Master and the servant dissapears right? Unless there are a special spell for them to stay behind. I think Archer has one of them.

    Also I agree. Have Iskandar and Saber from Fate/Extra meet. Also have Caster and Caster from Fate/Extra meet to see who can be the best wife for their Master XD

  17. Zleihsh Said,

    November 14, 2011 @ 8:47 am

    I do not know what it says in the novel, but that moment on the balcony, I got the feeling that Irisviel know Kiritsugu and Maiya’s relishionship….

  18. Random_Passerby_Number_612 Said,

    November 14, 2011 @ 9:11 am

    That’s not a spell but a skill. Independent Action, Archers’ class skill, allows them to act away from their Masters. Well, seeing as their close combat capability generally should be below that of most other classes, I’d have to say that skill is only appropriate – an Archer has to be highly mobile, and the necessity to drag a Master along everywhere would strongly limit their usefullness.

    Saber is a bit of a cheater in that regard, as usual rules don’t apply to her – as she simply cannot dematerialize, there’s no point in keeping Kiritsugu around. That is one of the reasons the feint with Irisviel works – other Masters, not knowing about her uniqueness, think that as Saber does not have IA her Master must be closeby.

    Kiritsugu is a hypocrite, and he knows it. He acknowledges his hypocricy, as his ideal is unfulfillable with just human strength. But somewhere deep down he is exactly like Shirou. He still yearns and strives towards that ideal, accepting the necessity of hypocricy on that way and killing his emotions for the sake of his beliefs. That self-sacrificing idealism is the reason he desires the Grail, too, as it is a miracle that should be able to grant his wish for a world where everybody can be saved and no sacrifices.

  19. Kryptik Said,

    November 14, 2011 @ 10:03 am

    @Random_Passerby_Number_612: I wouldn’t say he’s exactly like Shirou. The very fact that he’s aware of his own hypocrisy is a pretty key difference. He’s purposefully sacrificing his own reputation and his own self to try and fulfill those ideas. Shirou just plain lost his own sense of self. He’s a chronic hero because he has no other way to view the world.

  20. Random_Passerby_Number_612 Said,

    November 14, 2011 @ 11:43 am

    Okay, to elaborate, he’s like a future Shirou, betrayed by his ideal.

  21. Kherubim Said,

    November 14, 2011 @ 2:28 pm

    Actually it should be the other way round, Shirou wanted to be like Kiritsugu, his ideals and goals are patterned after his foster father. The only difference is that Kiritsugu has been through enough to know what the price entailed; Shirou never really saw how broken Kiritsugu was.

  22. ewok40k Said,

    November 14, 2011 @ 6:55 pm

    Like father, like son… even if not related by blood.

  23. Dakkar Said,

    November 14, 2011 @ 11:24 pm

    @Random_Passerby_Number_612
    From what I remember of Independent Action class skill, it has nothing to do with distance. This skill governs the amount of time a servant can exist on his/her own, without mana supply or even a contract. For archers it might be 2-3 days, i.e. even if their master is killed, they have a plenty of time for finding a new one/executing revenge. For other classes it’s usually just a day.
    Gil in the 5th war had a special, unlimited version, that is why he could swap Kirei for Shinji as his master even though Shinji was even more useless than Shirou in terms of mana supply. Well, in reality he was contracted to the grail itself rather than either of them, plus his source of mana was quite extravagant as well, so that really was an exception.

    Fate/Zero actually makes even more obvious how naive if not stupid Saber is. In F/SN we had Shirou to take all the blame for childish behavior before she could show her maximalist side, but now it’s out in the open…

  24. Random_Passerby_Number_612 Said,

    November 14, 2011 @ 11:52 pm

    Actually, for other classes it’s usually closer to minutes, especially if they enter a fight… Materializing would increase the pressure the world puts on them and severely shorten the time they have left. Caster only lasted a day before Souichirou found her due to her enormous prana tank and skill in magecraft.

    Other classes also cannot engage combat without their Masters usually. F/SN Lancer was given the command to scout with a Command Seal, which granted him Independant Action as a bonus skill, and Rider has Independant Action as a Personal Skill. If distance was of no matter, Ilya would just send Basaka into the fray while sitting in that castle of Einzberns’ herself.

    Independent Action allows the user to “act without a Master”, as per its description. It encompasses both the ability to remain in this world if the Master is killed and the ability to fight while their Master isn’t nearby.

    In that regard, Saber is a bit of a cheater due to her peculiarity as an incomplete Heroic Spirit.

    Goldie in the 5th War also had a material body. That is the reason his IA was boosted.

  25. Dakkar Said,

    November 15, 2011 @ 12:47 am

    Obviously, there are many factors in play, and the more mana is spent by a servant, the sooner it will disappear if left on its own. Still, the existence of the servants is primarily supported by the grail, so it’s not all about servant’s personal reserves or even his/her class. The grail just feeds certain classes a bit longer than the others ’cause that’s the rules of the game. And I don’t think that Caster has had huge mana reserves prior to contracting with Soichirou – she started leeching off humans later on, and her previous master was too wary of her to let her accumulate too much of her own mana.
    Well, staying for a whole day actually requires rank C in independent action skill, as I checked, so regular servants might have even less time.

    Berserker is hard to control. If you just send him out while staying in the castle, even twelve lives might not be enough. Real war is not exactly like buying the batteries…
    And had Kirei used a command spell to send Lancer scouting? Don’t remember it being mentioned…

    Gil was taking on a spirit form during the 5th war as well, so he wasn’t quite like Saber. After all, he has died back in his days and that hasn’t changed. The boost of his IA is due to the direct contract with the grail. Kirei is formally his master, but he’s pretty much a zombie himself :)

  26. Random_Passerby_Number_612 Said,

    November 15, 2011 @ 2:01 am

    Gil had never taken spirit form in the 5th War. The anime and the movie don’t count as they’re shitty adaptations.

    Yes, Kirei used two command seals on Lancer – one that granted him IA, and another that prevented him from fighting at full strength (not to kill his enemies). It was only implied in the VN itself. However, the details are explained in one of Nasu’s interviews.

    About acting afar from the Master, note that in F/Z neither Lancer, nor Rider, nor Berserker have acted without their Master in the vicinity. Archer has IA, Saber is an exception, Caster is a magic user himself, and Assassin is, well, an Assassin for a reason. Ironically, in F/SN, every Servant except Berserker has a legitimate excuse to act away from their Master.

    If Ilya could, she would control Basaka from the castle. She can scry any point in town using consciousness transfer and the Master-Servant mental link ensures that her commands get true no matter the distance.

    Caster has A+ rank in Mana. Even without the ley line, she’s still an enormous prana tank. Her previous Master may have been a retard but he wouldn’t be able to do anything about the prana that was already inside her upon summoning.

  27. Dakkar Said,

    November 16, 2011 @ 12:29 am

    Taking on spirit/material form was never emphasized in the game unless it was pivotal in terms of development, and the transition between scenes is … discrete by default, so they didn’t elaborate on this. Still, Gil was jumping in and out of the thin air every now and then, and it’s not like he’s particularly skilled in hiding while in the material form. Not to mention that, say, I don’t think he just walked away after the encounter with Saber and Shirou which followed her angsting on the bridge for hours.

    I haven’t seen that interview, and game had a tendency to bend its own rules for the sake of a convenient story development, so I just left Lancer/Kirei part alone. Well, if Nasu said so, then so it is.

    Keeping your Servant next to you is something on the level of self-preservation, especially when the identities of most of the masters are known, which wasn’t the case in the 5th war. Tokiomi can afford to let Gil roam around thanks to all the protective barriers around his turf and support from Kirei’s assassins, but the rest of the cast, save for Caster’s master, are pretty vulnerable on their own. Masters in the 5th war were pretty lame, so careless behavior was going unpunished most of the time, but in F/Z they have to exercise caution.

    The Master-Servant link is good to transmit general sense of danger (and it doesn’t always work even with respect to this), but that’s pretty much it. Magical observation can be blocked or even altered, and doesn’t give you a whole picture. Plus, Berserker is hard to control even with Ilya present, whether he’ll listen to command delivered over regular magic is the unknown, not to mention that he has low magic resistance which makes him particularly vulnerable under certain scenarios. The main point, though, is that Ilya was more interested in interacting with Shirou, rather than fighting the war.

    They haven’t specified the time period before Caster’s summoning and her disposal of her master, nor how extensive her mana use was during that period. Not that I disagree with her having significant reserves, it’s just that the details were left out of the story.

    Well, all of this is sure interesting, but the point about IA is that I don’t believe that it’s explicitly stated anywhere in the game that it has anything to do with the range of operation. The description states its connection with the time limit on acting without being supplied mana/having contract with the master, but that’s it. So, unless a servant is such a mana hog that it should be resupplied by the master after just a few minutes of action in the material form, it shouldn’t matter how far apart they are. But even Saber with her high mana consumption wasn’t taking timeouts during the combat to have some sex with Shirou, so I’d say it’s unlikely that other servants are that requesting.

  28. Random_Passerby_Number_612 Said,

    November 16, 2011 @ 7:11 am

    In fact, that’s exactly what he did. You see, Gil had been given a physical body by the Grail. It’s harder to tell he is a Servant, and other Servants have trouble detecting him at a distance – that is why he always appears so suddenly. But he cannot switch to spirit form.

    Actually, Tokiomi would prefer for Gilgamesh to stay put and not reveal himself too often. But he cannot do anything about him due to Gil’s IA.

    About Saber’s prana consumption – it’s not that high, unless she uses Excalibur. She indeed needs more than other Servants due to her reliance on Prana Burst but her large tank balances that out.

    Finally, about the Master-Servant link – it provides full-on telepathy. If you recall the fight with Berserker in the beginning of UBW, Archer warned Rin from 2 km away. Exceptions to this are… many. Well, this is Nasu, so that was kinda to be expected… Souichirou, who isn’t a proper Master, Caster (for Assassin) for the same reason, Shinji, who is neither a proper Master nor a proper Magus, Ryuunosuke, who is not a proper magus, and Saber, who is not a proper Servant (thus the mental link only extends as far as sensing danger). Gil seems to be able to block this with one of his trinkets, too, though there’s no direct evidence. Most Masters prefer not to use this unless necessary, as it is a distraction to both parties and seems to require additional prana expenditure at longer distances. However, with Ilya’s prana it wouldn’t be a problem at all to control Berserker. Considering that she is a liability herself (you think Basaka would lose so easily to Gil if he didn’t have Ilya to protect?), she wouldn’t want to be there unless it’s Shirou.

  29. Dakkar Said,

    November 17, 2011 @ 2:42 am

    Type-moon wikia says that he indeed has got a material body, and considering how it’s been years since I played the game, I don’t feel like arguing :D
    Now I wonder if I should be amused or crept out by Gil’s timely appearance in Fate scenario when he skewered Caster. – he’s either got a perfect timing, or was stalking Saber 24/7…

    I believe Saber is physically weak, and if just the difference in skill is sufficient to kick Shirou’s butt, fighting any servant should require her to spend quite a bit of mana on buffs, so to say. The wind sheath also leaches some of it, so even without Excalibur she probably won’t run without a good PSU.

    That message in UBW made even D&D’s 25 words message look mighty verbose, so I’m not sure how well it actually works. Telepathy is usually range-limited as well, so, perhaps, the further away you are, the shorter the messages get. Well, in Berserker’s case you just need “Left”, “Forward”, “Kill” and such, plus the confidence Caster doesn’t hijack your wireless joystick.

    Berserker has no chances against Gil simply because he’s unlucky enough to have A-rank in divinity. With Gil it’s a death sentence on it’s own, plus, if you make Gil get serious enough to pull out Ea before killing him… Well…

  30. Random_Passerby_Number_612 Said,

    November 18, 2011 @ 2:37 am

    Indeed, he’s been stalking Saber most of the time in F/SN.

    Saber’s Prana Burst is practically cheating, you see. Without it, she’s about as strong as a normal, if well-trained, human (she is still stronger than Shirou, though). Usually, there’s no way to boost one’s power to Servant levels (even Kuzuki, reinforced by Caster, who is “just better”, so to say, only got to E rank with his fists). Yet she gets A and B physical stats under a normal Master. Now, here’s the kicker: in her initial fight with Lancer, she had spent about 10 prana in total, while her maximum at the time (rank B) is over 1000 (Archer also has B, and Rin judges him to have “over two times her full capacity”, which is 500). So yeah.

    About Basaka… you see, he BROKE that chain in UBW. Also, as an Archer he’d have arrows poisoned with Hydra’s blood, which is a death sentence to anyone, Gil included. Furthermore, he’d have enough sense to stay out of Gil’s range. So I wouldn’t say he has no chances, despite them being low.

  31. Skribulous Said,

    November 21, 2011 @ 10:20 am

    Incidentally…

    Apparently Iskander’s shirt is a direct reference to this game:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisenryaku

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