Fate/Zero 05

Fate Zero

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL ISKANDAR.

How many ways was Iskandar being FUCKING BRO-AWESOME this week? I lost the count after he straight up insulted Kayneth when the coward wanted to “discipline” Waver. Sure Waver’s got a long way to go as a man, but he’s still a fuck ton better than you, Kayneth! And then when Gil showed up and started confronting Iskandar about who’s the more powerful king… dammit! Dammit!

Oh dear god, if they ever make a prequel of Iskandar, I would fucking buy the blu-rays lololol. Too bad it’s never going to happen durr hurr hurr…

On the fighting side… holy shit Gil vs Berserker.

Fate Zero

Yeaaaaaaaaaaah I’ve heard of Berserker being fucking crazy in combat, but seeing it in action really is on another level. I quite liked it despite the gripes I’m hearing about how Berserker was all CG only, but fuck that shit! It was awesome anyhow, plus Kajiura’s accompaniment already makes it win by default so seeing Berserker totally own Gil’s attacks by grabbing them back was like icing on an already bloody awesome cake. Add the humiliation Gil felt to it… yum yum om nom nom nom indeed. Too bad fucking Tokiomi spoiled it by ordering Gil to retreat halfway. Sigh….

And really, Saber x Shirou?

Fate Zero

Screw that! Saber x Irisviel 4TW! With no offense to Kiritsugu and Ilya intended, of course. ( ゚∀゚)アハハ八八ノヽノヽノヽノ \ / \/ \

26 Comments

  1. takashid Said,

    October 30, 2011 @ 5:21 pm

    … Id join your army Iskander.

  2. AozuAkazu Said,

    October 30, 2011 @ 5:45 pm

    Iskandar is the most epic bro servant ever. Period.
    I’m actually surprised that Beserker could fight on par with gingabishou-I mean, Gilgamesh. I always thought Gilgamesh was imb4 OP shit that just kills everything in 2 seconds (bar main characters hurr)
    To be brutally honest, I wasn’t expecting this show to be this amazing. I mean, I sort of thought it would be above average but it far surpassed any expectations that I had. I’m truly looking forward to how this continues (I haven’t read the visual novel).

  3. MartianMage Said,

    October 30, 2011 @ 6:32 pm

    Gates isn’t really for straight up owning. Notice that everyone who got owned by gates are either ambushed or chained up. Most servants would be able to avoid gates it’s mainly there for distraction while Gil waits for an opportunity to strike with a selected weapon.

    Gil’s true trump card is so broken that plot needs to intervene for him to lose.

  4. feal87 Said,

    October 30, 2011 @ 7:03 pm

    If Gil used properly Ea he would just annihilate the whole city in the blink of an eye. :P

  5. Di Gi Kazune Said,

    October 30, 2011 @ 7:03 pm

    Shirou out-gateofbabylowned The Golden Pikachu in UBW.

  6. Soranul Said,

    October 30, 2011 @ 9:53 pm

    the most epic part here imo is how iskander controlled the situation to force all the servants to appear… well ok caster didnt show up.

  7. Baka-Yuusha Said,

    October 30, 2011 @ 10:41 pm

    I believe the reason Berserker was rendered in CG is because in the novels they mentioned that Berserker looked more like a hallucination than a physical being. CG was probably the best choice to convey that.

    On another note, Saber x Iris with Ilya as they child! ^.^

  8. KGFJ Said,

    October 30, 2011 @ 11:08 pm

    You forgot to count the scene when Iskandar fucking ran over berserker with his fucking chariot. That was pure win too.
    And hell to the yes! This is the first time CG looks so badass. Who cares if it is CG if it’s done this smooth!? Berserker! I would root for him if he weren’t so crazy and… empty.
    And Gil. The mightily arrogant yet awesome Gilgamesh. While I am sure that his arrogance will drag him down (I even start feeling sorry for Tokiomi now), I sure enjoy the show.

  9. Dakkar Said,

    October 30, 2011 @ 11:13 pm

    OK, I decided to simply treat this Alexander as an entirely fictional figure just having the same name as the historical one, and it helps quite a bit. After all, historical Gil wasn’t blond for sure, and, most likely, was a bearded, hairy, short, bandylegged chimp :)

    And I wouldn’t say that wormknight “owned” Gil in this fight – after all, GoB was opened just slightly, and Tokiomi has called off his servant before he had a chance to use anything serious. In F/SN Gil was using all his GoB weapons from the start, plus both Lancer and Berserker had divine rank, which made them an easy pray for the Chains of Heaven. Well, being able to “steal” any Noble Phantasm thrown at you is also handy, no doubt.

    As for Shirou’s fight with Gil in UBW… Even with Gil being arrogant to the point where it was plain stupid, that battle was clearly rigged. Actually, in all three scenarios of F/SN Gil was killed because he didn’t treat his opponents seriously and wasn’t paying enough attention. Not to mention that perhaps the only scenario which wasn’t bending its own rules for the sake of desired ending was Heaven’s Feel, and Dark Sakura could give any servant a good run for his money.

  10. Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,

    October 30, 2011 @ 11:15 pm

    I said he owned Gil’s attacks, not Gil himself. And yes, Gil is like in the top 5 most powerful beings in the Nasuverse, so obviously he would win if he wasn’t such an egoistic idiot about fighting.

    Well, that just adds to the enjoyment of seeing Berserker nullify his attacks by using it against him hahah.

  11. ewok40k Said,

    October 31, 2011 @ 12:27 am

    random thoughts:
    Maybe not a 30 xanatos pileup, but counting servants as separate entities this war has 14 different sides…
    Waver might be wimpiest character in the series, but he had guts enough to follow his Servant into battle, something no other Master did.
    Negotiations were short, diplomacy is not Iskander’s forte. Though he deserves kudos for even trying…
    Berserker is utterly awesome, stopping progressively stronger Gates of Babylon, putting hard pressure on Saber and surviving hit-and-run by Iskander’s chariot :P
    Kirei and Tokiomi evidently were thinking Rider managed to spot hidden Asssassin (which might be true…)
    While Caster and his Master are on top of my hate list for obvious reasons, Kayneth and Gilgamesh are ot far behind, for being so narcistically haughty. Iskander by comparison is a King-of-bros, and Saber is all noblesse oblige. I was quite expecting Kiritsugu to shoot Kayneth and get the first real kill (discounting Gilgamesh vs Assassin fight-for-show)

  12. Falmung Said,

    October 31, 2011 @ 12:32 am

    Yes of course Gilgamesh has always lost a battle because of his personality.

    Even on UBW *spoiler* he was completely taken by surprise by Shirou’s UBW and the instant he was about to draw En, shirou was like “like hell I’m going to let you take that out” *slice arm*

  13. Zleihsh Said,

    October 31, 2011 @ 12:54 am

    Berserker is AWESOME!!!! The action scene is epic as always, I like especially the moment when rider charge at Berserker and stump on him. I feel sorry for Kariya, due to his condition he will likely be out of the war 1st.

    Lancer’s master, Kayneth, is such a cower, it is good Waver is Rider’s master.

    Also, why could Caster confuse Saber as his “holy maiden”? I am know saber said in the battle she is “the king of knight”, didn’t Caster catch that part? or was his “holy maiden” also a king of knight? (I doubt on this part)

  14. Dakkar Said,

    October 31, 2011 @ 1:15 am

    @Kurogane
    Well, yeah, Gil was clearly embarrassed when after all the high talk and posing with the weapons drawn his attack was deflected. Not to mention being brought to earth after even more talking and posing during the second barrage. I must admit, considering how the wormknight was grabbing Gil’s own weapons, “owned” might be indeed a very good term to describe what’s happened to Gil’s attacks. Still, first and foremost it was Kariya owning Tokiomi – embarrassment + wasted command spell + increased tension between him and Gil + lost opportunity to kill of one of the other servants. Ouch.

    Due to his arrogance, Gil clearly has problems with proper evaluation of his opponents, and considering how he always tries to use the minimum effort necessary, it becomes a huge opening in his otherwise almost perfect defense. On the other hand, that attitude is what makes him an entertaining character to watch, rather than reducing him to the all-mighty deus ex machina factor Nasu can use to push the story.

    @ewok40k
    Hey, it wasn’t hit-and-run, Iskander stopped, pulled over and was ready to give him the first aid with his sword if he wasn’t able to retreat by himself :D
    And come on, Caster’s duo is pretty awesome.

    @Falmung
    Are you referring to the movie? Frankly, even with all the Gil’s half-hearted attitude, the damage and mana expenditure Shirou had suffered were clearly way above his limits. Plus, as was emphasized in the game, Gil was skilled at using his arsenal against any opponent, while Shirou could only barrage him without employing any tactics. His fight with Archer prior to that was almost as rigged, so UBW felt really forced toward the ending.

  15. Suzushina Yuriko Said,

    October 31, 2011 @ 3:44 am

    @ewok “Kirei and Tokiomi evidently were thinking Rider managed to spot hidden Asssassin (which might be true…)”

    Nah, they were thinking that this is a bad situation since Gilgamesh would definitely go off on his own and join the fray in response to Rider calling everyone out.

  16. Tim Said,

    October 31, 2011 @ 5:31 am

    Don’t get complaints about the historical authenticity of Iskander/ Rider. Practically one of the cornerstones of the Fate series is the notion that remembered history =/= real history. Arthur is a girl, Gilgamesh wears anachronistic armor, F/SN Assassin never really existed at all, etc.

  17. Dakkar Said,

    October 31, 2011 @ 7:30 am

    @Tim
    Iskander is a bit of a special case. Even Arthur, despite his myth being relatively young, is exactly that – a mythical character. He’s no more historical than, say, Gilgamesh, i.e. there’s no solid historical evidence about pretty much anything about him. Alexander, on the other hand, is completely historical figure, and, despite certain myths surrounding his life, it is fairly well documented from the beginning to the end. The only other character in this war who’s close to that is Gilles de Rais, and even in his case they opted to call him Bluebeard to bypass the controversy of the charges pushed against him being fabricated. Even Lancers, both from Zeros and F/SN are mythical heroes, with deities and other folklore elements tightly integrated into the stories of their lives.
    So, as famous as he is, Alexander might have been a questionable choice for this role – he managed to be great IRL, not just the stories.

  18. Kryptik Said,

    October 31, 2011 @ 12:31 pm

    There is truly only one man who could ever properly convey Zero!Rider if this series ever got properly dubbed, and that can be summed up in one word:

    DIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE!!

  19. haitechan Said,

    October 31, 2011 @ 12:44 pm

    Rider, stop stealing the show dammit!… is what I wanted to say but he’s truly a bro. First the “COME AT ME BRO!” from last episode and now after insulting Kayneth and defending Waver. And as much as I love Gil the arrogant prick, I was a little happy that he got owned by Berseker. After all, I’m rooting for Kariya and Berseker looked that he could win. Too bad he got obsessed with Saber because Gil was being arrogant as always and losing (as always) because of that.

  20. Tim Said,

    October 31, 2011 @ 2:13 pm

    @Dakkar – I’m pretty sure Caster formally introduces himself in the novel as Gilles de Rais. Fate/ Zero simply chooses to act under the assumption that the fabricated charges against him contained an element of truth (IIRC, they are actually brought up in the novels). Fate/ Extra similarly contains Francis Drake, Nero, both 100% historical and gender reversed to boot, and Li Shuwen and Lu Bu – all four of these bear little resemblance to their historical versions. I think it’s one of the series’ hallmarks that they deliberately eschew conventional perspectives on ancient heroes – the notion that remembered history is usually inaccurate is brought up on several occasions. Iskander himself, IIRC, makes a point of it – admonishing Waver for reading a biography of his life.

  21. Skribulous Said,

    October 31, 2011 @ 2:48 pm

    I lol’ed at the POWER LEVEL SERIOUS BUSINESS discussion in the comments.

    Also, FUCK YEAH RIDAHHH!!!

  22. ewok40k Said,

    October 31, 2011 @ 4:02 pm

    Frances Drake?? LOL… What class was she?
    Pirates FTW!
    Gotta dig the full list of Fate/Extra heroes….

  23. Skribulous Said,

    November 1, 2011 @ 12:38 am

    @ewok40k

    Rider, of course.

  24. Sandybell Said,

    November 1, 2011 @ 11:22 am

    The magnitude of awesome would have been too high if Saber and Lancer join Rider. The world could not possible survive such a concentrated amount of epicness.

    I’m glad to see someone else enjoying Fate/Zero as much as I do.

    I found it strange that Caster called Saber a maiden. The death of Arthur is quite famous (He was killed by his illegitimate son (with his half-sister), Mordred.

  25. Aszu Said,

    November 1, 2011 @ 11:29 am

    Is it just me or does Saber seem like she’s pretty weak? Seriously, struggling with lancer, getting her arm damaged, nearly got a good smash to her head if it wasn’t for lancer, not to mention her attack doesn’t seem to pack much of a punch either. Ugh forgive my ranting but it’s hard to watch as a Saber fan, she’s not the strongest of servants; but come on, she’s not supposed to get run over that easily.

    Now that I think about it, the same thing happened in the original Fate Stay Night as well >_<

  26. Dakkar Said,

    November 1, 2011 @ 12:54 pm

    @Tim
    Now that I checked, in Fate/Apocrypha they even planned to include Shakespeare as one of the servants. Truth be told, I’m not sure if it’s a good direction. What they exploited in the original game was the ambiguity pertaining to the heroes of legends and myths in general. It might have originated from the need to genderbend Arthur in order to place him in the eroge, but in the end there were deeper applications, like Angra Mainyu, so it was all good.
    When they switch to historical and way more modern characters, changes become harder to buy. After all, the gossips and legends surrounding such people are pretty down to earth, which should inevitably impact their abilities as servants in general and noble phantasms in particular. It’s easy to believe in Greek hero flying on Pegasus, yet if, say, Drake was shown to do something like that…well, that won’t work.
    Overall, altering historical figures is an option, but it might be a distraction as well. It’s good to hear that they paid more attention to it in the novels, but in the anime this aspect was pretty much glossed over so far. Well, there are time constraints, so they have to keep their priorities.

    Oh, and about Gil’s armor, I see a lot of comments about it, but don’t quite get what exactly is the problem. Gil owns all the treasures in the world, including those which were created past his era. It should come as no surprise that he also owns the concept of a full-plate, and, considering how it offers the best protection, why not use it? After all, he had no problems walking around in the modern outfit when he considered it suitable, so it’s not like he’s fixated on the clothes he was wearing in Uruk. Actually, I believe it to be a very good thing :D

    @Sandybell
    That crystal ball doesn’t necessarily transmit sound. If so, Caster didn’t hear a word about Saber being King of Knights and sees her just as a charismatic female warrior. What associations it can trigger with him is a different matter.

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