Angel Beats! 12

Angel Beats!

Lol what, the beginning 30 seconds are like pulled out from some summer Hollywood movie climax. But it’s okay since it’s Kanade-chan~

Angel Beats!

Good bye guys, you were one of the better aspects of the show.

Angel Beats!

Holy fuck, T.K.’s tornado kick move was fucking win. And this. THIS…!!!

Angel Beats!

Kanade performs a little “carpet bombing”. Literally.

Angel Beats!

Yes, apparently so! Good thing she’s not easily angered.

Angel Beats!


(Geez, how much money are you throwing away with this little stunt, Maeda)

Angel Beats!

Xellos Ishida Akira’s character offers an interesting proposition to Yurippe.

Angel Beats!

Oh god, that is a very very fine yandere face there, Yurippe.

Angel Beats!

But she decides to stick to her guns (literally) and finish her mission.

Angel Beats!

Prompting her to feel like “graduating”…

Angel Beats!

But it looks like she’s got a few subjects to finish first!

Relatively entertaining episode that was at least consistent with the tone throughout, without trying to punch your face with random outlandish humor when they want some lighter moments. Then again, I think we got used to it over the last ten episodes.

But still, what the fuck are you trying to do here Maeda? I don’t fucking understand a single shit about the infodump about the original programmer of the Angel Player software and how he turned himself in to some NPC to wait for some girl that “graduated” before him and shit and wrote some random AI construct program written by Ishida Akira to perform a forced purging if someone found love in this metaverse.

And shit, he fucking did it, a metaverse within this metaverse when Yurippe had that little downtime after getting ambushed and shit. Geez, that was pretty annoying.

Anyways, it looks like the whole gang will finally “graduate” next week. I hope it’s at least coherent.


[21:25:57 Jun-19] <@Kurogane> jesus
[21:26:09 Jun-19] <@Kurogane> what the fuck was Maeda trying to do in Angel Beats! 12
[21:28:57 Jun-19] <%Komidol> I think the plot direction is something like this:
[21:29:14 Jun-19] <%Komidol> I think he basically made it so none of the plot up until that point really mattered.

Yeah, he’s pretty spot on.


  1. Gin Said,

    June 19, 2010 @ 11:12 pm

    I was able to follow it up to the purging program, which doesn’t make sense that he programmed it in unless he was either jealous, or was trying to prevent the same fate to other people about falling in love…which still doesn’t make sense. Fuck it, the program would have made sense if they explained it better, or given us a better reason. The whole bit there felt really Reloaded-ish…except the Matrix made more sense, which really shouldn’t happen.
    We had some great moments by all the characters, and I enjoyed the ending song picture at the end with everyone in it. That looked like a graduation shot.

  2. doki doki Said,

    June 19, 2010 @ 11:26 pm

    at least Yuri’s past is hinted. So, Yuri Nakamura had a normal high school life, a friend named Hitomi and had a crush on Fujiwara, her class mate.. She lived a normal life but deep inside she still thinks about hr late siblings. Thats all…

  3. ewok40k Said,

    June 19, 2010 @ 11:52 pm

    Nakama vs the Shadows…
    I just cant decide what was more epic – Shiina and her 100 men equivalent, whirlwind kick by TK or slimmed down Matsushita…
    Though Kanade trumps them all with her nuke ability. Starcraft theory fans are going wild now probably…
    Note that Otonashi arrived with amnesia – could be that he is a new “bug in the system”?

  4. Kagekyuubi Said,

    June 20, 2010 @ 12:02 am

    Not quite sure about this but if we go by what Ishida Akira’s character says then the self-brainwash guy is Takamatsu. I think?

  5. Chris Said,

    June 20, 2010 @ 12:23 am

    @KAge: Uhh…no.

    Takamatsu sure as hell isn’t the creator of the Angel Player software=.= Pretty sure Akira’s character is referring to some random character of old that we wouldn’t even get to see in Angel Beats! Since it was already mentioned that the “NPC conversion program was used in the past”, even before the SSS was formed.

    Lol, a lot of people are pointing out the similarities between Ishida Akira’s character and The Matrix Reloaded’s The Architect, and I’m inclined to agree. “Will you press the reset button on this world?”

  6. Beruchi Said,

    June 20, 2010 @ 1:47 am

    Well, nice plottwist! XD
    And there was actually somewhat of an Ichiban ushiro no daimaou reference, about “god” being a “system”?
    All in all, lets await the last episode and see how how it ends.

    At least Ooyama wasn’t the boss… XD

  7. Kaisos Said,

    June 20, 2010 @ 5:45 am

    I’m going to join the camp saying that KyoAni should remake this in 2014.

  8. Haesslich Said,

    June 20, 2010 @ 6:02 am

    Kaisos: the KyoAni who remade Kanon and Clannad in 2006 is not the same KyoAni who exists today. I would not call the current KyoAni up to any such challenge.

  9. Kaisos Said,

    June 20, 2010 @ 6:14 am

    It still needs a remake.

  10. SnooSnoo Said,

    June 20, 2010 @ 12:11 pm

    @Kaisos do you seriously want to see 8 episodes of the same shit?

  11. Myssa Rei Said,

    June 20, 2010 @ 1:30 pm

    SnooSnoo: I doubt that KyoAni would dare a repeat of Endless Eight in another franchise. Your outrage at the company is misplaced.

    However, I do agree somewhat with Haess’ assessment. KyoAni is far different from the company it was four years ago.

  12. ~xxx Said,

    June 20, 2010 @ 4:59 pm

    KyoAni has somehow degraded themselves by pulling an 8-same episoder.

  13. ~xxx Said,

    June 20, 2010 @ 5:02 pm

    did someone say graduated?

    mean… they’ll be back living again?

  14. Kaisos Said,

    June 20, 2010 @ 5:18 pm

    Anyone who complains about KyoAni and brings up E8 or K-On as examples of why they are bad doesn’t actually know what they’re talking about and is only parroting what they heard on bigoted message boards.

    But no, I agree with you guys. KyoAni are not what they used to be.

    Who, then, should remake Angel Beats in 2014?

  15. J3N0V4 Said,

    June 20, 2010 @ 5:50 pm

    lol just went and wiki’d akira ishida out of boredom to find out what else he’s done and he is credited as….

    Angel Beats! (The Guy in Second Computer Room)

    that’s just sad no real name just Guy in Second Computer Room

  16. Myssa Rei Said,

    June 20, 2010 @ 9:48 pm

    Kaisos: Do take note though that, in general, remakes of anime are relatively RARE, and those lucky franchises that have merited remakes are either classics in one way or another (Reideen the Brave, Giant Robo, Android Kikaider, Casshern to name a few), or incredibly popular during their time (KANON, Fullmetal Alchemist).

    As for studios, hmm, Bones perhaps? Maybe even PA Works again, but with a beefed-up budget ala KANON 2006?

  17. Haesslich Said,

    June 21, 2010 @ 12:46 am

    Kaisos: the S2 art was K-ON style, not Noizi Ito or even S1 style, to the point where Haruki looked more like Ui with a hairband. The pacing was as bad as Angel Beats was, and E8 didn’t help. They went from being a leader in Haruhi (remember that animation bump up for the concert?) to basically farming S2 to their third stringers who weren’t up to the challenge. We KNOW they could have done better; the Disappearance mocha showed this, as did the Clannad After Story OVA’s. So they don’t have an excuse but laziness or poor decisions/directing/lazy execution by the wrong people.

    But all that seems to suggest they can’t do regular series anymore; one-shot OVA’s or special projects, maybe. But they don’t seem to have the staff to handle an ongoing series; they’re now too small following the wave of departures or defections in 2007/2008.

  18. Haesslich Said,

    June 21, 2010 @ 12:46 am

    Haruhi even. Small keyboard.

  19. Myssa Rei Said,

    June 21, 2010 @ 12:57 am

    Haess? I think you meant MOVIE instead of mocha. Freudian slip much? :P

    I haven’t TOUCHED the camrip, but Ithekro has been saying good things about it, since he saw it in a theater. It does seem like the studio pulled the stops on that one though, compared to the low-calorie fare with have with K-On.

  20. Haesslich Said,

    June 21, 2010 @ 1:43 am

    Myssa: I was in bed with small keyboard. Ergo typing issues. They’re also doing feature release in U.S., which suggests actual quality versus the KWALITY of S2.

  21. Myssa Rei Said,

    June 21, 2010 @ 2:06 am

    You sure you weren’t just hungry and subconsciously calling for munchies? :P

    Judging from the very positive comments with relation to quality of the Disappearance movie, I think it proves somewhat that, at least for the projects that count, KyoAni can still pull off that old magic. They had a lot to make up for after all, and could not AFFORD to screw up.

    However, it does NOT mean that they can do the same for something like Angel Beats (for all the complaints I had about the pacing and atmospheric flip-flops, its production quality was consistent throughout its run). Hmm, someone better update the company’s blurb in TV-tropes…

  22. Kaisos Said,

    June 21, 2010 @ 3:01 am

    @Haess: The S2 art was only really K-On-ish during some of the E8 episodes and the early bits of Sighs. Different animation teams, remember?

    @Myssa: I’m aware of the improbability of a remake. It’s just fun to talk about.

    As for the Disappearance movie, yes, it was beautifully animated and exactly what I’ve grown to expect from KyoAni up until… well, last year.

    And as for Angel Beats’ production quality… I could point out to you all the various times the characters have been drawn off-model, the various budget saving effects; etc. Sora no Otoshimono was more consistent.

  23. Myssa Rei Said,

    June 21, 2010 @ 3:19 am

    So, a plus to AIC ASTA then? :P

    How are you taking the news that Bandai dubbed all of Haruhi S2’s episodes, meaning English-speaking audiences looking for the dub will HAVE to buy Endless Eight too?

  24. Kaisos Said,

    June 21, 2010 @ 3:34 am

    I’m just praying they go all-out and make it a gag dub. There’s no other way the voice actors will stay sane.

  25. Myssa Rei Said,

    June 21, 2010 @ 3:51 am

    The dubbed version of S2 is going to be distributed starting around August 17, so we’ll just have to see. I’m looking forward to it (as the dubbed versions are pretty much the ONLY way I can get my family to watch any anime), but I do wonder about Endless Eight. I assume that they just did a ‘general’ recording for the stuff that get repeated anyway, then just add sessions for the ‘unique’ events per repetition.

    It’s still going to be torture though. What WERE the original DVD sales figures for the E8 DVDs?

  26. Kaisos Said,

    June 21, 2010 @ 4:03 am

    Surprisingly not that much less than the figures for the original DVDs. I think the third DVD did the worst out of the lot, though.

  27. Myssa Rei Said,

    June 21, 2010 @ 4:34 am

    I do wonder if Angel Beats will do well on the DVD/BR side. Will the shiny production values make buyers ignore the glaring narrative and pacing flaws?

    Re Haruhi DVD sales: Did some reading, and apparently the sales for the DVDs that had Endless Eight averaged around 10,000 to 12,000 or so units sold per disc, which is pretty good for any other series, but absolutely TERRIBLE for the franchise, sales-wise. I guess against all odds, a lot of otaku are completionists at heart.

  28. Haesslich Said,

    June 21, 2010 @ 4:38 am

    Let’s stop hijacking Kuro’s blog.

    Note what I said about OVA’s or special projects – they do seem up to that. But not regular series of 24-episode runs, judging by S2 and even K-ON!! Which seems to be sharing some of Angel Beats’s pacing issues. Not that KyoAni hasn’t had pacing issues before – vie heard similar comments about Lucky Star and how one or two strips got stretched out to be a full ep at times.

    But, they’re batting about as high as SHAFT now… which isn’t saying much.

  29. Skribulous Said,

    June 21, 2010 @ 5:50 am

    Screencap #2: She really looks like Kyonko…

    Screencap #3: TK needs his spinoff series, damn it PA Works.

    Episode summation: Feels more like a proper Persona anime than that Trinity Soul one. Could be something for PA Works should the Persona franchise gets another installment.

    >Let’s stop hijacking Kuro’s blog.

    I do wonder about that. Don’t you have your own blogs?…

  30. Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,

    June 21, 2010 @ 6:36 am

    Apparently, they don’t have their own blogs.

    That being said, this discussion is probably better than discussing Angel Beats! 12. But asking this to be remade by KyoAni would be a shitty idea. The proper way to do it is to make a new spinoff featuring only Kanade. We could call it something like, um, “Kanade Rhythm” or “Kanade Pitch” or something nonsensical on the lines of ‘wafter’.

    Allow me to add my few cents about KyoAni’s situation too; they’ve sold their souls to the devil of commercialization and profits. Which is not to say they can’t do things right, but they need massive amounts of cash and solid ROI plans to do it. That’s the reality of the world.

  31. Myssa Rei Said,

    June 21, 2010 @ 7:14 am

    Kuro: Correction, I have a blog, but it’s not anime-centric. :P

    Despite its shortcomings, I still find that I’m interested in how the last episode will wrap everything up.

  32. Haesslich Said,

    June 21, 2010 @ 8:05 am

    Skribulous: I don’t have a blog. I hijacked impz’ for a while, but then real life intervened. Myssa’s covers the God Emperor of Mankind and painting His models. Dunno about Kaisos.

    As for Kanade having her own spin-off, or TK getting shorts on said spin-off, may I suggest a name like “Kanade Days”?

  33. Dude Said,

    June 21, 2010 @ 9:05 am

    ‘Kanade Days’ will shot the moe factor >9000, particularly if its KyoAni doing it.

    Bones might be able to work it too.

  34. ewok40k Said,

    June 21, 2010 @ 2:28 pm

    Haesslich, youre into 40k stuff? Did you know Haruhi was the Emperor?

  35. Grimmer Said,

    June 21, 2010 @ 4:21 pm

    I can understand the TK love in a ‘so bad it’s good’-kind of way…
    But seriously…sometimes I can’t help but think that intense anime viewing results in a dulling of the senses. TK is funny in the same way that the engrish he incorporates is. It’s funny to point out once, but when you start seeing engrish everywhere, day in day out, it’s just sad and pitiable. I experience TK in the same manner…everytime he opens his mouth, my gut wrenches and I feel a strong desire to shield my eyes and ears in shame….but it seems I’m rather alone with that viewpoint. :p

    I also can’t help but wonder why writers tend to play so darned safe in some aspects of the development process but then think (apparently rightfully so) that they can let the story implode with hardly any negative consequence whatsoever lol.

    Anyway, bad timing and non sequiturs seem like the biggest sin of this show. I suppose it’ll end up getting classified in the guilty pleasures folder.

    I really like some of the character designs…quite amiable, but the story just doesn’t come through to fully exploit them.

    Also, the whole ‘heart’ thing was just horribly tasteless.

  36. kazekaeru Said,

    June 21, 2010 @ 4:27 pm

    This was a good ep, albeit full of info that was difficult to piece together with the rest of the series….um…just like most of the last eps though

    While I would love for PA to remake this one as a longer series, I know that to be extremely, even impossibly difficult given the budget and time constraints under which the Production Committees usually work. This show has to become EXTREMELY popular and sell amazingly well to even start considering a remake. If that happened, from a business POV, it wouldn’t be worth it to remake since the original would be selling well. In Kanon’s case, KyoAni’s amazing version of AIR was the catalyst for the remake, plus the potential for better sales and stability of the franchise.

    Echoing a bit of Kuro’s sentiment, it’s true that KyoAni are becoming more business than art oriented, but unfortunately that is the general trend for most of the animation industry worldwide, more so the japanese because of the amount of animation they do, and quite frankly they have little choice as the times are hard and money is being pulled out of the medium unless it guarantees Return On Investment. That said, E8 was a ballsy move, though not well executed. They still cared for the art enough to try and convey the feelings of Yuki trapped in that situation, risking sales (they still did poorly, but not catastrophic), although they shouldn’t have gone over 3 eps IMO.

    I guess we can fully judge Angel Beats! once it ends..

  37. Skribulous Said,

    June 21, 2010 @ 4:30 pm


    You missed the point.

    TK *IS* the reflection of the ideal image of the audience, specifically the so-called “weaboo” viewers.

    Think about it.

    Whether it’s malicious in intent, or it’s all it good fun, it’s all up to you. And says a lot about the individual, really.

  38. ~xxx Said,

    June 21, 2010 @ 5:48 pm

    that’s to be decided by the staff of PA works…heheheh!

    I think Kyoani was just getting hit by the business cycle…and asides, all good things sometimes ends and you are now going down…It’s up to them if they’ll redeem themselves or doom themselves in the end… so they still have a standing chance.(but it’ll take a long time to recover).

    If Angel Beats! is to be remade… why not? Just let them remember the not-so-good things that had already done and came up with a very impressive style…and they’ll got my interest.

    Let’s give one another a serious 2nd chance

  39. K_S_ Said,

    June 22, 2010 @ 5:10 pm

    From the final PV:

    Quite a lonely graduation ceremony (;_;)
    I guess they feel like the girl from the illusionary world from Clannad.

  40. Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,

    June 22, 2010 @ 7:22 pm

    @K_S_: hurr durr. such a ronery ceremony.

    As for the ongoing discussion, I don’t think this show deserves a remake. First of all, Maeda has like almost no focus for this series unlike his previous works. Until he rewrites it and makes it at the least, coherent, I don’t really think this show is worth being remade. Much better off making a Kanade spinoff, IMHO.

    But I think the biggest disappointment of the series is the quality of P.A. Work’s animation. They’ve gone from being KyoAni’s nearest competitor to extremely mediocre thanks to this show. The lack of consistency is actually quite detracting to the overall enjoyment of the show sometimes, but it’s never been to a level of being disruptive… until Yurippe’s yandere face. Someone should get fired for that.

  41. Rockmanshii Said,

    June 23, 2010 @ 7:52 am

    Yurippe could have altered the program to save Takamatsu who got turned into a npc instead of trashing all the comps but yeah she fails at programming, and nice joke about Xellos ,Akira should have said “It’s a secret” when she asked who was the guy who programmed angel player.

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