Bullying in the playground.

Found this over Twitter:

Working!! seems to be the latest victim of some bloggers who delight in harshly criticizing certain animes. Since I’m relatively new to this world, I didn’t really notice this trend until last year, when I saw that suddenly many bloggers were making fun and criticizing the anime Kampfer – I almost decided not to watch it, but something caught my attention. That was that in a very short span of time, several blogs had panned it, often in a similar style and only after watching one episode. Of course, after watching it I realized it wasn’t half as bad as they said it was. In my old blog I termed this the “wolf pack mentality” of some bloggers.

Here we should make a distinction between not liking an anime and bullying. It’s fine if you don’t like K-ON or Working! or Kampfer and write about that. You comment why you don’t like it, fine. However, many people just enjoy bullying both the show and its viewers. It appears that certain blogs exist with the sole purpose of criticizing shows all the time, and I wonder why those people watch shows they don’t like – is it only so they have material to criticize? And if you only watched a couple of episodes and then dropped it, why keep talking over and over about it?

In fact, this is related to elitism. You don’t gain respect -that is, you don’t look like you have good taste- if you don’t criticize a show every week. Elitism, criticism and taste equating that there are some shows, especially popular ones, that you must criticize just for the sake of building and maintaining a reputation. I dealt with this in another essay.

Personally I’ve been trying to avoid this, to actually look positive, ever since I started this blog. There is a scene in Aria the Origination where Alice-chan is talking with Alicia-san and she asks why Alicia never gets angry when Akari (or even Aria-shachou) makes a mistake.

I want to do something like that. I prefer to focus on the positive qualities of any show I follow – it doesn’t mean I won’t say I didn’t like something, but I won’t insist on that, I don’t want some black aura coming out of my blog. And if I don’t really like a show, I will just quietly drop it, maybe comment why I dropped it, and end of the story. For example, Queen’s Blade. I dropped it, I didn’t like it. Should I make fun of it -and its viewers- every week?

Source: My extended anime “tweets”

QFT’ed.

This is why when people ask me about Omamori Himari or Negima anime… OH WAIT THEY DON’T EXIST.

44 Comments

  1. Scamp Said,

    March 31, 2010 @ 8:06 pm

    It’s no longer cool to dislike crappy fanservice shows

  2. Phuong Said,

    March 31, 2010 @ 8:32 pm

    Another prime example of the GIFT (Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory)

  3. Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,

    March 31, 2010 @ 8:38 pm

    More like it’s no long cool to dislike crappy fanservice shows AND bitch about them excessively.

    Then again, there’s no other better way to generate more clicks to your site than controversy!

  4. Gin Said,

    March 31, 2010 @ 8:38 pm

    Kurogane, is this similar to how their is apparently no Tsukihime anime?

  5. Game8910 Said,

    March 31, 2010 @ 8:38 pm

    hating on popular shows is cool these days, Bakemonogatari is the cancer killing anime rite?

    Anyways I agree I would not bother blogging something I hate…I would mention 11eyes but tbh that show had so many bad and good moments I still to this day dont know if I loved it or hated it

  6. Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,

    March 31, 2010 @ 8:40 pm

    “Tsukihime anime”? My dear friend, I do not know what you are talking about…

  7. Game8910 Said,

    March 31, 2010 @ 8:45 pm

    I wish someone made an anime out of Umineko no Naku Koro ni

  8. Gaudy6523 Said,

    March 31, 2010 @ 9:13 pm

    “Then again, there’s no other better way to generate more clicks to your site than controversy!”

    Fox News has taught us well!

  9. Haesslich Said,

    March 31, 2010 @ 10:06 pm

    Omamiri Himari and Negima all got anime, elitist. They just sucked the soul out of you, they were so bad.

  10. Naples Said,

    March 31, 2010 @ 10:14 pm

    That happens quite often, but it’s annoying when they lump the viewers of a certain show into a specific category. I’m not sure why they do it, but maybe they’re frustated after wasting a couple of hours on a show they disliked.

  11. Mitch H. Said,

    March 31, 2010 @ 11:25 pm

    Rage and bile are memorable and engaging. Adoration and enthusiasm passes like the wind through reeds.

    I mean, everyone remembers Ambrose Bierce and H.L. Mencken. Nobody remembers their optimistic, enthusiastic, kind, open-hearted opposite numbers, if those hypothetical writers ever got op-ed column-inches in the first place.

    “But the effect of her being on those around her was incalculably diffusive: for the growing good of the world is partly dependent on unhistoric acts; and that things are not so ill with you and me as they might have been, is half owing to the number who lived faithfully a hidden life, and rest in unvisited tombs.”

    – George Elliot, Middlemarch

  12. The Hordesman Said,

    April 1, 2010 @ 12:02 am

    Internet. Serious Business.

    Has this statement been stretched enough? No.

  13. ewok Said,

    April 1, 2010 @ 12:18 am

    Well, I tend to look for the shows that match my personal taste, and to hell with net opinion.

  14. Caraniel Said,

    April 1, 2010 @ 2:04 am

    I enjoyed the craptastic Kampfer – it was entertaining!

    Bitching about series is much more fun than writing an endless stream of niceties….tis also quite carthartic, and god knows I have a lot of surpressed rage stemming from my job :P

    Saying that if I truly dislike something I won’t watch more than a single episode.

  15. Kahlev Said,

    April 1, 2010 @ 3:08 am

    But, if you don’t watch more than 1 ep, how do you know you “really” don’t like something?

    Personally, i tend to watch any series i start ’till the end. Sure, that means i have to suffer through some things like Kampfer or some other series that “don’t exist”, but that also means i end watching jewels like Irresponsible Captain Tylor, Aria, Shin-chan… heck, i wouldn’t have watched the first season of Suzumiya Haruhi had i just based it on my opinion of the first episode.

    It’s not about just “writting nice things about series”, but about being able to actually deliver an informed opinion, and that only happends if you watch the whole series by yourself.

  16. DmonHiro Said,

    April 1, 2010 @ 3:17 am

    Negima does have an anime. It had a 3 episode OVA and another ongoing 4 episode OVA. Never heard of a Tsukihime anime though, it would be awesome.

  17. Zannagi Said,

    April 1, 2010 @ 3:20 am

    So, wait…what is your stance on this issue, Kurogane? To flame-blog or not to flame-blog?

  18. kewldude Said,

    April 1, 2010 @ 3:24 am

    @Game8910

    There is already an anime of umineko no naku koro ni. Didn’t you watch last season or the one before that? Im not sure but its already finished broadcasting. Here are the wiki and ANN links.

    Wiki-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umineko_no_Naku_Koro_ni

    ANN-http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=10168

  19. kewldude Said,

    April 1, 2010 @ 3:27 am

    K, don’t you look up the web? Cause there IS a Tsukihimi anime as WELL. You just need to search on google. As simple as that. Anyways. Here are the links.

    Wiki-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsukihime

    ANN-http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=2938

  20. The Hordesman Said,

    April 1, 2010 @ 3:42 am

    kewldude, you should return to reality. I they don’t exist. Would be cool if they did though.

  21. S_1 Said,

    April 1, 2010 @ 3:43 am

    Maaaaaan would it be great to have a Tsukihime anime. They’d only need to actually adapt the story properly, not lobotomise every character of their personalities and not have some of the most powerful beings in the world move in craptastic slow motion. I mean. Massive portions of the fanbase would utterly deny its very existance were such a travesty to occur.

    Surely, Kara no Kyoukai showed that you can adapt a Type-Moon story well. DEEN immediately jumped up to do unlimited bladeworks after Kara no Kyoukai was released.

    Maybe after the Tsukihime remake that’s coming whenever? :)

  22. Sacchi Said,

    April 1, 2010 @ 4:39 am

    I wouldn’t watch Working!! just to bitch about it. It ain’t worth my time and I don’t want to make fun of it, because that would mean I actually watched the episode and wasted my time.

    However, take Ookami Kakushi for example. It’s an anime that started relatively slow, then got better, and ended being one of the worst shows these seasons. Is there anything wrong with making fun of the last episodes? I wanted to finish watching the show, and at least I got some laughs out of it.

  23. Animenz Said,

    April 1, 2010 @ 5:03 am

    http://moesucks.wordpress.com/

    I’m just leaving this here…

  24. Syoran Said,

    April 1, 2010 @ 5:54 am

    “Why is it that the young resort so swiftly to personal offenses?” wise old Tabarast asked the world at large, loudly. “Name-calling and ridicule greet arguments that speak to a point, not foremost a person to attack or decry. Such a rude, unsettling approach makes a mountain out of every monticule, a pernicious tempest of every chance exchange of remarks, and blackens the names of all who dare to hold recusant views. I disapprove strongly of it, Droon, I do. Such scrannel threats and blusterings are no worthy substitute for well-argued views–and all too often hold up a shield for jejune, even retrorse sciamachy, bereft of sense and waving bright purfle and clever verbiage where meaning has flown!”
    — Tabarast to Beldrune in The Temptation of Elminister

  25. Caraniel Said,

    April 1, 2010 @ 6:14 am

    @ Kahlev: I used to have that mentality where I had to finish something I started, now I know what I like and what I don’t – experience earned through over a decade in the fandom.

    I try practically everything each season to see if there’s any hidden gems. If I can see potential in a series I’ll give it the 5 episode trial……however if the 1st episode doesnt even promise potential it goes straight to the discarded pile.

    At a later date if I hear a show got much better I’ll give it another chance……its a system that has worked well for me.

  26. ithekro Said,

    April 1, 2010 @ 9:26 am

    Denial can be a form of bullying.

  27. Grimmer Said,

    April 1, 2010 @ 9:32 am

    Perhaps there’s some truth to that statement…haters are everywhere…
    but it doesn’t take away that some (if not most) anime series would be better off if they never saw the light of day.

    A far more noticable trend in anime blogging is the perpetual lowering of standards. With every passing year bloggers move on to watch the more generic, trite shows.
    A sad shift from quality to quantity. An important function of an anime blog used to be distinguishing the good from the bad. This so that the readers wouldn’t have to bother finding out for themselves…very few bloggers have still got credibility, so that function has pretty much been lost in most places.

    Anyway, instead of bitching about bad shows and giving them attention, they’d better just keep quiet and hope no one finds out about them.

  28. Grimmer Said,

    April 1, 2010 @ 9:37 am

    PS. you just filled over 200 archive pages with entries now.
    Quite an accomplishment, nearly five years at it lol.

  29. Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,

    April 1, 2010 @ 10:23 am

    @ithekro: But…. you can’t hate what doesn’t exist!

    @Grimmer: Thanks, it’s just become part of my life. I intend to last a decade at least. Hopefully. Also, rather than the “lowering of standards”, it’s more like “forced to watch whatever crap comes out this season”.

    @Zannagi: Not to flame-blog in a demeaning manner. Of course, if there is an issue I feel that should be brought up, even if it’s in a less than civilized manner, I guess I will do it.

  30. sanguine Said,

    April 1, 2010 @ 11:41 am

    Thank you Kurogane for this post. Constructive criticism is great when you’re letting other anime fans know what you dislike about an anime. But from the anime I’ve been interested enough to try, none have ever been pure awful. I just don’t see the need for bloggers to bash an anime because they don’t like the show. Just say your piece and then move on to write about anime you actually enjoy.

    This also applies to real life I’m afraid. I myself have been a “victim” to this overly critical mentality when I try to introduce shows to my friends who also watch anime. I’m always trying to expand my horizons and will give most shows the 3-episode trial. Unfortunately, a lot of the time, our anime sessions turn into a competition to try and find the most innuendo in the series. That’s why I’ve turned to watching anime on my own and chatting with the blogging community about the shows I love.

    Great post! Keep it up!

  31. Zyl Said,

    April 1, 2010 @ 2:33 pm

    Suddenly I feel very disappointed that no one is picking on me because I enjoyed Working!!’s first episode. :p

    There’s flaming and trolling on the one hand and there’s rage and bile with lots of heart and wit on the other, or as that old Dunhill advert used to say, Gaya, Mutu, Keunggulan (Style, QUALITY, Excellence).

    P.S. Real Tsukihime anime must have RIN X SABER FTW.

  32. ewok Said,

    April 1, 2010 @ 3:31 pm

    Guilty as charge: II really enjoyed both animations: Shingetsutan Tsukihime, and Umineko no Naku Koro Ni. Surely both could have been done better, but if not for them I wouldn’t know the stories behind them at all.

  33. Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,

    April 1, 2010 @ 3:36 pm

    >Tsukihime
    >RIN X SABER

    I SAW WHAT YOU DID THERE.

    Also I enjoyed Working!!’s first episode too. That is why I am wondering why are there so many people lambasting it overtly.

  34. Tauntanime Said,

    April 1, 2010 @ 9:37 pm

    I agree 100% with your post, but people also have a problem, that is to believe everything they read/ hear without making sure. We don’t like the same animes, so we can’t destroy animes others like watching, don’t like don’t watch.

  35. Perdan Said,

    April 2, 2010 @ 1:07 am

    So what happened to Working? It left me wanting to see more..

    How can anyone make a decision on an anime after 1 episode? I usually give any anime atleast 3-4 eps before I decide to drop it or continue..

  36. Sheba Said,

    April 2, 2010 @ 4:07 am

    >> “Then again, there’s no other better way to generate more clicks to your site than controversy!”

    Did we just describe a certain tabloid-like blog.

  37. yanipheonu Said,

    April 2, 2010 @ 12:11 pm

    Reminds me how so many people are trolling FFXIII so hard. People think so hard about how it’s not like the favourite game, they fail to recognize what the newer titles bring to the table.

  38. Epi Said,

    April 2, 2010 @ 2:16 pm

    I think it’s fine to express your opinion if you don’t like a show, as long as you also express your opinion when you do like something. It’s the people who hate EVERYTHING that really get on my nerves. Then again we’re all free to just not read those blogs, so really is this a real issue?

    If you’re only ever positive about anime, you’ll soon become like my cancelled subscription to Newtype which only ever had good things to say even about the most horrid shows. Probably because they’re paid by the industry to be so positive.

    I think people who watch a show simply to ‘flame’ the show, secretly enjoy watching the show. While I never flamed them, as much as I made fun of Gundam SEED Destiny or Code Geass Season 2 being trainwrecks, I have to admit I was madly clicking refresh every Sunday night waiting for the subs to come out so I could watch it because it was fun to watch.

  39. Epi Said,

    April 2, 2010 @ 2:17 pm

    (ack can’t edit!)

    BTW that’s the longest twit I’ve ever seen ;)

  40. Di Gi Kazune Said,

    April 2, 2010 @ 5:40 pm

    Tsukihime anime does not exist. Only when we have Ren in there then it will exist.

  41. Benigmatica Said,

    April 2, 2010 @ 11:25 pm

    For me, I enjoy watching anime regardless of whether good or bad as long as it’s watchable… Well, except for a few.

    But come to think of it, watching a first episode of an anime series, then criticize it and leave it there in the cold rather than finish it.

  42. thenightsshadow Said,

    April 3, 2010 @ 9:40 am

    There’s nothing new here, Kuro et al. The world’s been full of this: people have an opinion, and they spread that opinion in the interests of getting everyone to join with their opinion.

    You can apply this politically, religiously, socially…any way you look at it, it exists, and it’s almost as if it’s part of being a human being.

    Likewise, the anime blogging scene is there too.

  43. TheBigN Said,

    April 6, 2010 @ 12:45 am

    >>That is why I am wondering why are there so many people lambasting it overtly.

    Switch “why” with “where”, and you have my predicament.

    That and I totally agree with what this guy is saying.

  44. riddle Said,

    April 7, 2010 @ 11:26 am

    hmm…i thought working was good, and i’m looking forward to it. why do people hate it? no clue, dont care.

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