The Geass of Mahjong

Saki

Supreme trollan’ there, Saki.

This episode has left me with no doubt that Saki has the Geass of Mahjong. And Ikeda kinda reclaimed herself with this episode! Look at that near Kokushi Musou! ‘s too bad Saki trolled[1] her out of winning.

[1](Yes, in mahjong, the ultimate trolling method is to win with a cheap hand to prevent another opponent with a potentially huge hand to win.)

30 Comments

  1. impossible mahjong Said,

    August 3, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

    I screenshot how Saki came to build her hand (complete otaku), and it is IMPOSSIBLE to play like this unless you know what tile is coming >4 tiles in advance.

    http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b174/imreallysobored/Untitled-1.jpg

    It’s really lulzy and awesome though. I wish I could do this for every ep of Saki and calculate the mathematical impossibilities. Lightning tiles are more likely.

  2. Panther Said,

    August 3, 2009 @ 10:06 pm

    YHBT, how many times have I trolled and been trolled in mahjong now thanks to that?

    Oh and I only came across 3 kangs into rinshan kaihou once in my years of mahjong so far. That was seriously by luck, and too bad I was not the one doing it. -_-

  3. Sniperk Said,

    August 3, 2009 @ 10:11 pm

    It’s likely that the next is the last episode of the tournament, seeing from the preview.

    I was thinking something after this episode. Is there a such a thing as a Rinshan Kaiho Haitei? Like, a Rinshan Kaiho in the last drawable tile?

  4. Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,

    August 3, 2009 @ 10:13 pm

    @Sniperk: No, lol. Haitei is only on the last DRAW tile. When you open Kang, you take your tile from the dead wall, which you CANNOT draw from.

  5. Chewy Said,

    August 3, 2009 @ 10:13 pm

    if i remember my rules right the game ends prematurely after 4 kangs

  6. Sniperk Said,

    August 3, 2009 @ 10:34 pm

    That’s is the problem in being a n00b. =]

    Thanks Kuro.

    But that would be something interesting see. XD

  7. Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,

    August 3, 2009 @ 10:53 pm

    @Sniperk: It’s also an illegal move. It’s like winning in chess with your king.

  8. Sniperk Said,

    August 3, 2009 @ 11:10 pm

    As I said, n00b XD

  9. Sniperk Said,

    August 3, 2009 @ 11:12 pm

    Erm… I’m the n00b.

    But anyway, changing the subject, how many eps is Saki gonna have? Do you know?

  10. Cho_Hakkai Said,

    August 4, 2009 @ 2:47 am

    Total 26 episodes.

  11. Meow Meow Said,

    August 4, 2009 @ 3:19 am

    We’ll need to wait for a 2nd season to see the national tournament since the manga is not up to that point. Of course, I’d be very willing to wait seeing how great this season has been!!

    BTW, loli Saki is very cute.

  12. Crane Said,

    August 4, 2009 @ 6:11 am

    The bet is still up for Ikeda winning! She’s getting on track!

  13. phossil Said,

    August 4, 2009 @ 7:18 am

    Super Saki screenshot!!!

  14. Steven Den Beste Said,

    August 4, 2009 @ 8:31 am

    IM, it seems to be a part of this series that Saki does have some sort of ESP ability to read tiles from their backs. There have been several places where her voiceovers have suggested that she knew exactly what a particular tile was going to be before it was drawn.

    For instance, in the maid cafe ep, there was one point where the pro used a kan to draw another tile, and Saki was freaked because it was the one she needed to win — which we learned from her thought voiceover before its face was revealed. Saki already knew what it was.

    That seems to be the secret to her winning ways: she can read all the tiles, in the draw piles (whatever those are called) and other people’s hands, as if they were all face up.

  15. Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,

    August 4, 2009 @ 11:00 am

    @Steven: Of course, no one in real life actually can do that. Pro players may make educated guesses, but in reality it’s bloody fucking hard to read the tiles. It’s probably an order of magnitude higher in difficulty to ‘count the tiles’ than to ‘count the cards’.

  16. endlezz Said,

    August 4, 2009 @ 2:06 pm

    @Kurogane:

    Of course you can win with Rinshan Kaihou and Haitei. The tiles removed from the dead wall are replaced by the ones from the living one, therefore you can Kong on the second to last draw; the replacement tile you draw becomes the last tile and a possible Haitei. The terminology of whether a tile from the dead wall is “drawn” is irrelevent as my chinese manual clearly says “last tile” without and mention of it beeing “drawn”.

  17. Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,

    August 4, 2009 @ 7:32 pm

    @endlezz: In Chinese-style, yes that is possible, but Japanese mahjong have the Dora tile rule. Therefore the dead wall is out of bounds for normal draws. If you’d paid attention to the show, especially when during the exhaustive draws and the Haitei Raoyue wins, there’s still a section of tiles remaining, that is the ‘dead wall’.

    So in Japanese mahjong, you cannot technically win with a Rinshan Kaihou + Haitei Raoyue. Plus in the current tournament rules, there’s no double yakuman so there won’t be any benefit even if you could do it.

  18. endlezz Said,

    August 5, 2009 @ 1:29 am

    @Kuro:

    First of all, neither Rinshan nor Haitei are Yakuman, so the “no double Yakuman” rule has absolutely nothing to do with it.

    Second, I know what a dead wall is; it is used in chinese Mahjong too.
    Saki tried to stop Koromo from getting the last draw by declaring a closed Kong. This only works if a tile from the live wall is shifted to the dead wall to replace the replacement tile even in Modern Riichi; otherwise declaring a closed Kong wouldnt change who gets the last tile. The Dora tile rules has yet again absoluetly nothing to do with it.
    This is explained in Ep.16 around 8:15. You should look into it before accusing someone of not paying attention to the series.

    Example: Your turn, there are two tiles left in the live wall. You draw one of them, normally the next player gets the last tile. Now you declare Kong; you draw a replacement tile and the last tile is shifted into the dead wall, never to be drawn. If you win now its Rinshan and Haitei.

  19. Steven Den Beste Said,

    August 5, 2009 @ 10:15 am

    Kurogane, of course no one can really do that. What’s that got to do with anything?

    Surely you didn’t think that this show was going to be realistic, did you? (I can disprove that in one word: Nodoka.)

  20. Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,

    August 5, 2009 @ 10:21 am

    @endlezz: From my understanding, Saki wanted to declare the Kong, so that she could shift the turns. If you declare a Kong, you will have to take the dead-wall tile instead of of the live tile and thus you ‘push’ the turns up.

    In any case, I don’t think we should be arguing about this since plainly we both are reading from different sets of rules.

    @Steven: Well, that’s why in most mahjong shows, the character has that ESP-like ability to read tiles. It’s to spite all of us normal players in real life who wish to hell we could do the same thing.

  21. TheBigN Said,

    August 5, 2009 @ 10:26 am

    “And Ikeda kinda reclaimed herself with this episode! Look at that near Kokushi Musou! ’s too bad Saki trolled[1] her out of winning. ”

    lol

    But I did like how Saki rolled that moment out at the end. It’s the “OH SNAP!” moments from her that I really do enjoy when she plays mahjong. :3

  22. caked Said,

    August 5, 2009 @ 3:56 pm

    I’ve played super simplified mahjong before. But to win you have to actually get “Mahjong” which ends the game and generally makes you win. Is there actually such a thing in proper Mahjong?

    I can imagine it as the Bankai of saki “Mahjong”-lightning strikes the other players or some shit lol.

  23. endlezz Said,

    August 5, 2009 @ 4:01 pm

    @Kurogane:
    Not quiet correct. Saki first took a tile form the live wall and then another from the dead wall, she did not shift her turn on the live wall at all. Also, i play both chinese and japanese style Mahjong regularly, so its not like I am only talking about the chinese style.

    But yeah, whatever. I am more wondering about what Gonzo will do after they caught up with the source material. Which should be next ep. I am hoping for a travel to Taco Land and a beach episode.

  24. Juni Said,

    August 6, 2009 @ 1:19 am

    @Impossible Mahjong:

    Not entirely… the oddest thing is the pung of 6d which leaves her with:

    233334b 8888d, but if she uses basic pattern recognition to realize she’s going to win on a kan draw, she might have called pon on the 6 dot, planning to draw a simple tile next turn, then declare kan on the 8d and win with rinshankaihou, tanyao. Then after she got to 22233334, she declared another kan. That would normally be dumb, but if you start with the assumption that you’re definitely going to win off of whatever your kan draw is, then it’s not that unnatural.

    The really strange thing is how she has the uncanny ability to always win on the kan draw, but we’ll leave that for another day.

  25. PA Said,

    August 6, 2009 @ 7:38 am

    In riichi mahjong, the last draw is when there are 15 tiles left in the wall – the last 14 tiles always make up the dead wall that isn’t drawn from (under regular conditions). Kan draws are from said dead wall and the drawn tile “gets replaced” from live wall. Since the game ends when there are 14 tiles left it’s entirely possible to declare a kan when there are 15 tiles left in the wall, perform the dead wall draw, and get a win with rinshan kaihou-> there’ll be only 14 tiles left, so it counts for haitei as well. And since the dead wall gets replenished from the live wall when kan draws are performed, it’ll also switch the person who gets the last tile.

  26. Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,

    August 6, 2009 @ 9:23 am

    @PA: Doesn’t that mean you still draw from the dead wall? In that case, Rinshan Kaihou would take precedence over Haitei doesn’t it?

  27. endlezz Said,

    August 6, 2009 @ 7:18 pm

    @PA: exactly, this is what I have was explaining the whole time.

  28. verilix Said,

    August 7, 2009 @ 11:41 am

    lol that’s alot of debating over mahjong.

  29. ahelo Said,

    August 9, 2009 @ 2:17 pm

    riichi, ron, pung, kong, tsumo, tsumo after a kong, ahhhhh!!!

    too much terms for my head…

    Anime can make majhong actually look fun.

  30. Nekonron Said,

    August 9, 2009 @ 9:23 pm

    @ahelo: but mahjong IS fun!

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