Comments on: Code Geass R2 17 http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2008/08/04/code-geass-r2-17/ WITCHES DON’T REFO~RM☆ Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:22:48 +0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: EvilDevil http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2008/08/04/code-geass-r2-17/comment-page-1/#comment-93706 EvilDevil Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:47:19 +0000 http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2008/08/04/code-geass-r2-17/#comment-93706 "A funny thought on crack just came to my mind as I type, any yaoi fangirls here suddenly fancy Guilford x Lulu? Only that Guilford thinks Lulu is “his princess”. XDDD" it burns, it burns my eys!!!! “A funny thought on crack just came to my mind as I type, any yaoi fangirls here suddenly fancy Guilford x Lulu? Only that Guilford thinks Lulu is “his princess”. XDDD”
it burns, it burns my eys!!!!

]]> By: liathgirl http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2008/08/04/code-geass-r2-17/comment-page-1/#comment-93700 liathgirl Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:43:16 +0000 http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2008/08/04/code-geass-r2-17/#comment-93700 Okay, maybe 'Redeem' isn't a strong enough word for this Anime? At this point, I'd say none of the characters are attempting to 'Redeem' themselves. They get close, but damn it all if they don't get pulled back into the fray. I'm surprised that Nina didn't go ape-shit on those guys when she heard about Zero. I'm taking a shot in the dark here on this one, but I'm remembering first season and I think I'm starting to put something together with C.C and Lelou's mother. We may assume that C.C and Marianne knew each other, but does anyone else feel like there's something more? Maybe the reason why Marianne was killed was because she had a Geass and hers was fully developed before Charles was. That would certainly give Charles a reason to want her dead wouldn't it? If his goal was to obtain the immortality of both V.V and C.C it certainly does make sense. He could have sent Anya to kill Lelou's mother and then erased her memory so that she wouldn't be able to tell anyone what she did. The only thing I'm missing from this equation is what kind of Geass could Lelou's mother have possessed that made Charles afraid enough to kill her? Just a shot in the dark . . . but it does make sense, considering what Cornelia told us at the end of Season one. Lelou's mother sent all her guards away the day of the attack, and no one knows why least of all Cornelia who was supposed to protect Marianne. Okay, maybe ‘Redeem’ isn’t a strong enough word for this Anime? At this point, I’d say none of the characters are attempting to ‘Redeem’ themselves. They get close, but damn it all if they don’t get pulled back into the fray. I’m surprised that Nina didn’t go ape-shit on those guys when she heard about Zero.
I’m taking a shot in the dark here on this one, but I’m remembering first season and I think I’m starting to put something together with C.C and Lelou’s mother. We may assume that C.C and Marianne knew each other, but does anyone else feel like there’s something more? Maybe the reason why Marianne was killed was because she had a Geass and hers was fully developed before Charles was. That would certainly give Charles a reason to want her dead wouldn’t it? If his goal was to obtain the immortality of both V.V and C.C it certainly does make sense. He could have sent Anya to kill Lelou’s mother and then erased her memory so that she wouldn’t be able to tell anyone what she did. The only thing I’m missing from this equation is what kind of Geass could Lelou’s mother have possessed that made Charles afraid enough to kill her?
Just a shot in the dark . . . but it does make sense, considering what Cornelia told us at the end of Season one. Lelou’s mother sent all her guards away the day of the attack, and no one knows why least of all Cornelia who was supposed to protect Marianne.

]]> By: Kinny Riddle http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2008/08/04/code-geass-r2-17/comment-page-1/#comment-93694 Kinny Riddle Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:15:22 +0000 http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2008/08/04/code-geass-r2-17/#comment-93694 Reyz, when Lulu initially Geass'ed Guilford, I believe he really did intend to use Guilford as a backup plan should Lulu ever get caught in Japan doing whatever for his global domination (TM) plans. Since he knows Guilford will be stationed in Japan for the duration of the oncoming war, if he does get caught, Guilford should be more or less nearby to save "his princess". So it certainly came in handy. A funny thought on crack just came to my mind as I type, any yaoi fangirls here suddenly fancy Guilford x Lulu? Only that Guilford thinks Lulu is "his princess". XDDD Reyz, when Lulu initially Geass’ed Guilford, I believe he really did intend to use Guilford as a backup plan should Lulu ever get caught in Japan doing whatever for his global domination (TM) plans. Since he knows Guilford will be stationed in Japan for the duration of the oncoming war, if he does get caught, Guilford should be more or less nearby to save “his princess”. So it certainly came in handy.

A funny thought on crack just came to my mind as I type, any yaoi fangirls here suddenly fancy Guilford x Lulu? Only that Guilford thinks Lulu is “his princess”. XDDD

]]> By: Code Geass R2 17 « Anime Chatter http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2008/08/04/code-geass-r2-17/comment-page-1/#comment-93692 Code Geass R2 17 « Anime Chatter Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:48:59 +0000 http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2008/08/04/code-geass-r2-17/#comment-93692 [...] on the nature of the characters or plot in Code Geass here, as it’s covered well like that on many other blogs and I’ve simply stopped caring; I feel almost nothing for most of these [...] [...] on the nature of the characters or plot in Code Geass here, as it’s covered well like that on many other blogs and I’ve simply stopped caring; I feel almost nothing for most of these [...]

]]> By: Reyz http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2008/08/04/code-geass-r2-17/comment-page-1/#comment-93684 Reyz Mon, 04 Aug 2008 09:40:45 +0000 http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2008/08/04/code-geass-r2-17/#comment-93684 Well thinking back of it Orange contacted Guildford before Charles crashed the UFN party so Lulu had planned to use him even when nothing was threatening his sisters life and besides there's no way he could have known that Guildford would be there. Sure if he got caught there's a big chance that Guildford would be somewhere around but think he had a different role to play all in all. Either that or everything just happened by coincidence. So yeah don't think it was a back up plan and that he really went there believing in Suzaku that he'd come alone and not bust his ass. Well thinking back of it Orange contacted Guildford before Charles crashed the UFN party so Lulu had planned to use him even when nothing was threatening his sisters life and besides there’s no way he could have known that Guildford would be there. Sure if he got caught there’s a big chance that Guildford would be somewhere around but think he had a different role to play all in all. Either that or everything just happened by coincidence. So yeah don’t think it was a back up plan and that he really went there believing in Suzaku that he’d come alone and not bust his ass.

]]> By: manga http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2008/08/04/code-geass-r2-17/comment-page-1/#comment-93681 manga Mon, 04 Aug 2008 08:56:59 +0000 http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2008/08/04/code-geass-r2-17/#comment-93681 Camario: Sure, I agree with a you on a lot of points you make. But with Lelouch being captured, I feel that he is afraid, and while you're afraid, your head isn't working straight, but I thought he would have gone past that by now. I was wrong. Sins, yeah he has commited a lot of sins and he acknowledges them. As soon as he has made them he has understood that it's his fault and he feels sorry for it. And yes, I'd call this series a trainwreck with the comming episodes as it seems now. Wonder why Kallen still hasn't gotten her Guren back though. Next ep will have to show us a lot of things to be satisfying. tyco: jeremiah went from secret geass hidout directly to find Lelouch, he didn´t have time to use the geass canceller on Suzaku, and Suzaku asks Lelouch directly why he ordered him to live. So I´d guess it´s still intact, otherwise Suzaku would have joined Euphie long long ago. Camario: Sure, I agree with a you on a lot of points you make.

But with Lelouch being captured, I feel that he is afraid, and while you’re afraid, your head isn’t working straight, but I thought he would have gone past that by now. I was wrong.

Sins, yeah he has commited a lot of sins and he acknowledges them. As soon as he has made them he has understood that it’s his fault and he feels sorry for it.

And yes, I’d call this series a trainwreck with the comming episodes as it seems now.

Wonder why Kallen still hasn’t gotten her Guren back though.

Next ep will have to show us a lot of things to be satisfying.

tyco: jeremiah went from secret geass hidout directly to find Lelouch, he didn´t have time to use the geass canceller on Suzaku, and Suzaku asks Lelouch directly why he ordered him to live. So I´d guess it´s still intact, otherwise Suzaku would have joined Euphie long long ago.

]]> By: Kinny Riddle http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2008/08/04/code-geass-r2-17/comment-page-1/#comment-93675 Kinny Riddle Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:48:56 +0000 http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2008/08/04/code-geass-r2-17/#comment-93675 Surly Lulu must have known that this is the very psychotic fake-brother that got Shirley killed, since Rollo admitted that right away. Either Lulu has some card not yet revealed or he can become as daft as Suzaku when it comes to his sister. :) And sending Rollo and gang in was supposed to be a secondary resort, since ideally Lulu had wanted to rely on that faint hope of friendship that he had with Suzaku to protect Nunally, which was why he was willing to beg and grovel on his knees and take all responsibility without bothering to defend himself. Of course, Schneizel's intervention ended all that. I'm with Magnius in that there's nothing wrong with Lulu being genuinely trusting yet also being cautious at the same time. If Suzaku were a bit more careful, then Lulu wouldn't be caught, and Guilford's Geass wouldn't be activated, and so no harm done there. Having a backup plan is just for peace of mind, an insurance policy in case shit does happen, which unfortunately did. Surly Lulu must have known that this is the very psychotic fake-brother that got Shirley killed, since Rollo admitted that right away. Either Lulu has some card not yet revealed or he can become as daft as Suzaku when it comes to his sister. :)

And sending Rollo and gang in was supposed to be a secondary resort, since ideally Lulu had wanted to rely on that faint hope of friendship that he had with Suzaku to protect Nunally, which was why he was willing to beg and grovel on his knees and take all responsibility without bothering to defend himself. Of course, Schneizel’s intervention ended all that.

I’m with Magnius in that there’s nothing wrong with Lulu being genuinely trusting yet also being cautious at the same time. If Suzaku were a bit more careful, then Lulu wouldn’t be caught, and Guilford’s Geass wouldn’t be activated, and so no harm done there. Having a backup plan is just for peace of mind, an insurance policy in case shit does happen, which unfortunately did.

]]> By: Magnius of the Chaos http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2008/08/04/code-geass-r2-17/comment-page-1/#comment-93671 Magnius of the Chaos Mon, 04 Aug 2008 05:53:39 +0000 http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2008/08/04/code-geass-r2-17/#comment-93671 How is getting a backup plan a testament to Lelouch not being serious about trusting Suzaku? The fact that Lelouch went to meet Suzaku speaks volumes about Lelouch deciding to put his faith in Suzaku protecting Nunally. Lelouch knew that Suzaku had quite the hefty grudge against him. Yet he still went there, and alone, just as Suzaku specified. If Lelouch never intended to trust Suzaku, then he wouldn't have gone alone. He could have brought the Combat Maid or the Lord of the Orange along with him. He CHOSE not to do that; he CHOSE to trust Suzaku for the sake of his sister. And he was shocked when he thought Suzaku betrayed him, which means that he never expected Suzaku to turn him in. Which is true, since Suzaku himself had no idea bout the thing. Getting a backup plan is more of a testament to Lelouch being naturally cautious. After all, Lelouch always seems to have a backup plan with him. The Geassing of Guilford was no different. And guess what happens? Shit happens, and the fact that Lelouch Geass'd Guilford was the only thing that kept him from being incarcerated. There's a difference being naive and trusting. Lelouch was trusting yet cautious; Suzaku was being naive by not noticing that he was being followed. I mean, one or two men, you might not notice. But he was tailed by a freaking unit PLUS two or three FUCKING KNIGHTMARE FRAMES. SLOW, MUCH? I don't really blame Suzaku for not trying to do anything drastic when Kanon and friends jumped out to take Lelouch. It was a sudden moment, and Suzaku was never really been a quick thinker. He's fast on his feet, sure, but he's not too good at dealing with a situation like that. Then again, who would? What I do blame Suzaku for, however, was simply returning and not doing anything instead of staring at his Knightmare Frame and wondering if he should use it against his (former) best friend who suspects him of betraying him. And his own people too. Yeah, can't forget about that. What Suzaku needs to do is come out with the Lancelot and the Freya, aim it at the fucking Brits and blow the fucking sons of bitches away. Nina the batshit insane racist, Kanon the creepy condescending dude and Schneizel the pedophile. Lloyd and Cecile can live, though. As long as two of the three fuckers die, I'm quite satisfied. Meeting Suzaku after Geassing Guilford was a sign of trust intermingled with caution. Sending Rollo to save Nunally, on the other hand... that's just fucking naive. Sending the psychotic brother who wants to claim you for himself to save your sister, who you devoted you entire life to is a fucking. Stupid. Thing. Period. How is getting a backup plan a testament to Lelouch not being serious about trusting Suzaku? The fact that Lelouch went to meet Suzaku speaks volumes about Lelouch deciding to put his faith in Suzaku protecting Nunally. Lelouch knew that Suzaku had quite the hefty grudge against him. Yet he still went there, and alone, just as Suzaku specified. If Lelouch never intended to trust Suzaku, then he wouldn’t have gone alone. He could have brought the Combat Maid or the Lord of the Orange along with him. He CHOSE not to do that; he CHOSE to trust Suzaku for the sake of his sister. And he was shocked when he thought Suzaku betrayed him, which means that he never expected Suzaku to turn him in. Which is true, since Suzaku himself had no idea bout the thing.

Getting a backup plan is more of a testament to Lelouch being naturally cautious. After all, Lelouch always seems to have a backup plan with him. The Geassing of Guilford was no different. And guess what happens? Shit happens, and the fact that Lelouch Geass’d Guilford was the only thing that kept him from being incarcerated. There’s a difference being naive and trusting. Lelouch was trusting yet cautious; Suzaku was being naive by not noticing that he was being followed. I mean, one or two men, you might not notice. But he was tailed by a freaking unit PLUS two or three FUCKING KNIGHTMARE FRAMES. SLOW, MUCH?

I don’t really blame Suzaku for not trying to do anything drastic when Kanon and friends jumped out to take Lelouch. It was a sudden moment, and Suzaku was never really been a quick thinker. He’s fast on his feet, sure, but he’s not too good at dealing with a situation like that. Then again, who would? What I do blame Suzaku for, however, was simply returning and not doing anything instead of staring at his Knightmare Frame and wondering if he should use it against his (former) best friend who suspects him of betraying him. And his own people too. Yeah, can’t forget about that.

What Suzaku needs to do is come out with the Lancelot and the Freya, aim it at the fucking Brits and blow the fucking sons of bitches away. Nina the batshit insane racist, Kanon the creepy condescending dude and Schneizel the pedophile. Lloyd and Cecile can live, though. As long as two of the three fuckers die, I’m quite satisfied.

Meeting Suzaku after Geassing Guilford was a sign of trust intermingled with caution. Sending Rollo to save Nunally, on the other hand… that’s just fucking naive. Sending the psychotic brother who wants to claim you for himself to save your sister, who you devoted you entire life to is a fucking. Stupid. Thing. Period.

]]> By: tyco http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2008/08/04/code-geass-r2-17/comment-page-1/#comment-93667 tyco Mon, 04 Aug 2008 05:14:30 +0000 http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2008/08/04/code-geass-r2-17/#comment-93667 I don't think that Suzaku is still under the Geass order, didn't Jeremiah break it? Or am I mistaken. I don’t think that Suzaku is still under the Geass order, didn’t Jeremiah break it? Or am I mistaken.

]]> By: Jounin http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2008/08/04/code-geass-r2-17/comment-page-1/#comment-93666 Jounin Mon, 04 Aug 2008 05:13:31 +0000 http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2008/08/04/code-geass-r2-17/#comment-93666 I am going to have to disagree w/ Kurogane in that Lelouch has a lot more redeeming to do than Suzaku does. In fact, it was Suzaku who almost redeems Lelouch by demanding that Lelouch stop manipulating and lying to people and adopt Euphie and Nunnally's vision. We know that Lelouch was never truly serious about trusting Suzaku and was going first to the safest option because he set up a backup plan in Geassing Gilford. And that is Lelouch's greatest failing as a person: not trusting anyone and thinking that he is clever enough to manipulate people into doing exactly what he wants. Hasn't he learned by now that the perfect plans can never account for every action of every person, especially now that Schneizel has a recording of his confession? That is not to say that Suzaku doesn't have his own failings as a person, but questioning his own actions and wondering if what he is doing is right isn't necessarily a bad thing, especially when you compare it to Lelouch's assurance of his own convictions (fueled mainly by his victim's mentality and quest for vengeance) regardless of the body count. I am going to have to disagree w/ Kurogane in that Lelouch has a lot more redeeming to do than Suzaku does. In fact, it was Suzaku who almost redeems Lelouch by demanding that Lelouch stop manipulating and lying to people and adopt Euphie and Nunnally’s vision. We know that Lelouch was never truly serious about trusting Suzaku and was going first to the safest option because he set up a backup plan in Geassing Gilford.

And that is Lelouch’s greatest failing as a person: not trusting anyone and thinking that he is clever enough to manipulate people into doing exactly what he wants. Hasn’t he learned by now that the perfect plans can never account for every action of every person, especially now that Schneizel has a recording of his confession?

That is not to say that Suzaku doesn’t have his own failings as a person, but questioning his own actions and wondering if what he is doing is right isn’t necessarily a bad thing, especially when you compare it to Lelouch’s assurance of his own convictions (fueled mainly by his victim’s mentality and quest for vengeance) regardless of the body count.

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