Geass R2 14

Code Geass R2

The descent into madness starts this episode.

Rolo admits to killing Shirley, putting to rest all the speculation, and this sprouts a flower of hatred within Lelouch that leads to him ordering the total annihilation of the Geass Order, massacring many innocents in the process under the name of revenge disguised as peace. Eventually, this leads to a showdown between him and V.V. and he manages to injure his uncle enough, but before the finishing blow is dealt, he is brought to the Sword of Akasha by his father.

On the other hand, Suzaku is also getting more and more desperate, with his heart succumbing to his hatred towards Lelouch, especially after Shirley’s death, which was pronounced as a suicide. He immediately suspects Lelouch of course, and to get his confirmation, he stoops so low as to use Refrain on POW Kallen to confirm his suspicions. He’s certainly not gonna be making more fans now, that’s for sure.

As it is, I really liked this episode as it finally returns the focus back on one of the biggest mysteries of the show, that of the Geass and what it truly is. Shirley’s death was definitely a big turning point for the series now, and I’m glad her death is leading to such big things, instead of being wasted as “emo fodder”, remember Fllay and Stellar?

Her death was definitely a big loss for a lot of people and it has driven both Lelouch and Suzaku to do the extreme. It was really disheartening to see the massacre by the Black Knights and subsequently Suzaku’s attempt to use drugs on Kallen. This will definitely weigh heavily on their character profiles for a long time to come.

Now, with Lelouch finally finding out about the Sword of Akasha, and the “twilight world”, I really hope they explain the purpose of it and the meaning behind the “killing of gods” by Charles and V.V, also hopefully more about C.C. herself as well.


  1. Haesslich Said,

    July 14, 2008 @ 5:15 pm

    Well, to be fair, those children WERE trying to Geass the Black Knights there… and by getting rid of them, he’s removing any more potential Rolos. And given that it was C.C. who was doing the shooting, and apparently hating the necessity of the action, it doesn’t quite look like the action of a sociopath, the way Rolo’s shooting was.

    As for Suzaku.. well, he’s looking for reasons to blame Lulu, and he’s willing to do anything to get his justifications. Maybe he WILL brainwash Kallen into joining his cause, to use Lulu’s best tool against him.. and Lulu is indirectly responsible for Shirley’s death, both through his initial Geassing of her (which led to her crisis later on, as all the Geasses were undone), as well as keeping Rolo alive and free to do the shooting in the first place.

    And she WILL be used for emo fodder – it’s just more that it’ll be somewhat more epic than having two Frames running at each other, with their pilots screaming the others’ name. Hopefully, it’ll be a tragedy of Shakespearean proportions.

  2. Crusader Said,

    July 14, 2008 @ 5:39 pm

    Well there is nothing more peaceful than a desolated ruin, yes?

    Circumstantial evidence pointed towards Lulu, as for his guilt, Lulu has proved in the past he’s not above wasting his own kin, offing Shirley to protect his cause isn’t that far fetched given the extremes Lulu has gone through before. By not showing up to her Funeral Lulu was snubbing her, and his rejection of any responsibility on his part is not the action of a law abiding citizen, and emphasizes Lulu’s criminal nature in how he can now easily wash away the responsibility by citing how it was some how necessary and that he can make up for it by slaughtering people tangentially involved at best and not facing Shirley’s mom in a court of law. Well even if Shirley was not much loved it seems that she will be missed.

    I find it strange that using the equivalent of truth serum to get information out of Kallen is some how less barbaric and more civilized and acceptable than other methods such as torture. If anything such a drug would be the holy grail for interrogations. Nevertheless to me it seems that saying yes to drugs is better than saying yes to beating out answers, braking a few limbs, and using a thumb screw.

    By slaughtering those kids under the pretext that they will become Rolos is rather shoddy, using that reasoning I would be justified in slaughtering the children of my foes on the basis that they will be a future threat of some vague and unknown import. It can be argued that they used their geass in self-defense as the Black Knights went in with guns blazing with orders to give no quarter. The pilots they geassed were already slaughtering their people so was it so wrong of them to fight back the only way they could? It’s not like they had any weapons other than geass. The initial plan was to take them alive, but the result was slaughter for the sake of revenge and as a means for Lulu to chase away the guilt of Shirley’s death.

  3. rev Said,

    July 14, 2008 @ 9:30 pm

    Well, instead of discussing how things here and there are this and that, I’d rather see this kind of ‘morality’ the directors want to show in this episode as to what I felt as I watched it.

    This kind of episode is startling. I don’t know how the directors take it, but shows like this inadvertently influence the people watching (I don’t have to mention other gores, just this one.. a 7 JST show at prime time)… one day we got high school mishaps, and some other day we got massacres. Ah, and people do laugh at it.

    I know that this is anime…, but I always wonder the use of character of young age, doing political travesty… the same feeling I got when watching Death Note. The same feeling I got when I’ve read reeling headlines about Africa these weeks, yet feel nothing.

    Perhaps the use of war (in games and animation) have made the war itself surreal, at least for me. I knew this feeling.. it’s empty.

  4. Onion Said,

    July 14, 2008 @ 10:14 pm


    But it isn’t a truth serum, or even the equivalent of one. It is a highly addictive substance that Britania was flooding area 11 with last season to fuck the population up with. Have we forgotten what it did to Kallen’s mother in R1? You may as well say he should use crack to get a confession.

  5. biltwick Said,

    July 14, 2008 @ 11:06 pm

    From the intro, the Emperor looks a lot like Van Grants from Tales of the Abyss (same English dub act for both of them too).

    I would agree that Refrain is worse than the Geass, as being a drug it is addictive, whilst the Geass has the potential to be side-effect free if the user chooses.

    Rolo did jump the gun here, we saw how Lelouch had to keep telling him not to use drastic methods when possible; though I was surprised by how V.V. and the Emperor seemed to be keeping secrets from one another.

    The ‘World of C’ looks like something Salvador Dali would come up with!

  6. Chaos2Frozen Said,

    July 14, 2008 @ 11:58 pm

    “Circumstantial evidence pointed towards Lulu, as for his guilt, Lulu has proved in the past he’s not above wasting his own kin, offing Shirley to protect his cause isn’t that far fetched given the extremes Lulu has gone through before.”

    This is different, Shirley was someone that he was very emotionally attached to, someone that he doesn’t want to lose, possibly on equal level as Nunally.

    Lelouch never had alot of love for Clovis to begin with and there’s no saving Euphie after that, even so he did beat himself up about it.

  7. Tmoo Said,

    July 15, 2008 @ 1:40 am

    i had mixed emotions about the little kids. on one hand they’re just defending themselves, on the other that boy was smiling rather awkwardly while the black knight killed his comrade, so when rolo asked ‘have you been well?’ and offed them all i ended up laughing. the other deaths with that group of C.C fans was also pretty comical, one second they were ‘hey it’s C.C! i

  8. Magnius of the Chaos Said,

    July 15, 2008 @ 2:27 am

    Oh, Suzaku, you slimy piece of shit. Using Refrain on a fellow Japanese? My, oh my, you’ve really lowered your standards. You could have gone your way and then died a noble death or something, but now, I shall only be satisfied with an excruciatingly painful demise. Lelouch needs to dope you full of Refrain, then force you to relive everything single FUCKING pain in your life, and then shoot you in the head. And then have a “OH SHIT, HEADSHOT” announcement radiate through the screen.

    On another note, we’re finally finished with all the “It was Suzaku who killed Shirley” crap. Seeing as Rollo reveals it in the first few minutes of the show right then and there. Take that, you Suzaku conspiracy nuts! Then again,after seeing what the fucker did this episode, the “Suzaku kills Shirley” theory seems extremely believable. Bloody motherfucking thrice-damned albino son of a bitch, go die. DIE. FUCKING DIE. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I’m hating Suzaku more than Rollo, and I really hate Rollo at this point.

    Lelouch needs a reward for being able to put on an act like that. Just like the Eumphemia tragedy, he’s able to quickly remain in control of his wits and come up with a way to turn things to his advantage. But really, what’s with all the flamboyance? Instead of doing a mini-monologue, press the fucking button and blow your little brother up, Lulu. IT’S ALL IN SHIRLEY’S NAME!

    People seem to think that Lelouch does all his sins without feeling, but really, I’d think that Lelouch repents his sins much more than Suzaku does. Suzaku claims to be a masochist, but that has crap to do with his feeling guilt for his deeds. He seems to place the blame of virtually everyone on Zero / Lelouch, instead of questioning what part he played in the entire thing. Yes, I’m aware that Zero / Lelouch is quite responsible for a majority of the crap that goes on, but it’s not like Suzaku is some kind of saint. They state that the reason that Japan / Area 11 is more rebellious than the other Areas is because it was subdued while still in the middle of battle; in other words, cause Suzaku offed his own dad. And his thinks Lulu wrong for wanting to kill his own father? God damned fucker.

    “This is another tragedy brought about by Zero.”
    “Zero will only bring misfortune.”
    “Zero might see through your battle plans, but can he see why children love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?”

    Think about what you’ve done, you lemonade-sipping (wait, what?) elitist bastard. You claimed that Lelouch wouldn’t regret his actions, but scenes after the memory-wipe of Shirley, the death of Euphemia and so on show that Lelouch is tormented inside. You, on the other hand, just grow more and more desperate. You shunned to join Zero in Season 1, claiming that you’d change it from the inside with nobility and crap, but now what? Hostages and now truth serum drugs? What makes your doings any better than Lulu’s? Lulu freely admits that he is necessary evil; evil required to defeat the greater evil. What’s your excuse?

    You need Zero / Lelouch, Suzaku. Because as long as Lelouch is alive, you can keep on blaming him while faking your pretentious self-righteous crap. You think that, as long as Zero exists, you can continue to blame him for everything. Then again, that goes for most people. It feels like a lot of the watchers choose to place the entire blame on Lulu, reasoning that all bad things originate from him. Shirley’s death is Lulu’s fault because Lulu is responsible for Geassing her in the first place. Euphemia’s death is Lulu’s fault cause he shot her. Terrorist attacks by the Black Knights is Lulu’s fault cause he’s their leader. Everything, in the end, returns to Lulu. But oh wait, isn’t it Rollo who shot her? Isn’t it Suzaku who contributed to her being mindwiped by the Emperor? I’m not saying you shouldn’t blame Lulu at all, but trying to pin every blame on him is just stupid.

    After all, if you want to blame Lulu for everything, then why not go back and blame Charles for making Lelouch want to be Zero in the first place? Why not blame Britannia itself for taking over other countries? Why not blame Suzaku for being responsible for killing his father in the first place? The way things are going, I’ll bet people will blame Lulu for Marianne’s death. Cause, like, he was born. And shit.

    Back to V2, however… you’d think that he’d be the final villain of the series, and that Charles was the sub-boss right there before the last boss. After all, V2 is always doing shit behind his back, making it seem like Charles is the pawn. But then he seems downright pathetic when he’s getting owned by Cornelia. Like… “POW POW POW DIE ZERO OH NOES MY SHIP IS GOING DOOOOOOOOWN!: and stuff. Epic expressions on the face of V2, especially when Jeremiah mentions Marianne. Is Jeremiah using a custom Knightmare Frame, or what? Doesn’t seem all too unique. Lelouch needs to get Jeremiah a new badass Knightmare Frame. Preferably in the color orange. ORENJI NO TSUKI KISHI – THE MOONLIGHT KNIGHT OF ORANGE! WHEEEEEE~!

    Yes, ninja Sayoko time! Trail Ogi, trail him! Show us your awesome maid ninja skill powers~! Trail Ogi and find out the mystery behind the world~! Sayoko~! Sayoko~! Sayoko~!

    Oh yeah, the Black Knight massacre. Meh, well. Don’t really give a shit about that at the moment.

  9. Crusader Said,

    July 15, 2008 @ 3:09 am

    Refrain is a drug that brings out a persons’ memory and inhibits their will to resist questioning in any active manner. Thus is it a truth serum of sort, a sort of more powerful alcohol (which is also a drug). Taking Kallen’s mum for example who we have never heard or ever seen again since her only episode back in R1 it seems that she was able to get rid of her “addiction” rather quickly, so this drug is not that addictive if at all and only abused by people who are desperate for happier times. Once Kallen’s mum got her daughter back the happiness void was filled and not an iota of rehab was involved.

    Just because some drug is illegal that does not mean that such drugs have no use. Meth was used by militaries to keep troops alert by spiking their chocolate, it worked to say the least. Even your much hated cocaine has medical use in the case of flash burns. Just because you take a drug for the first time does not mean necessarily that you will be addicted. Again since Kallen is not going to cooperate if given the choice between torture and drugs I’d rather use the drug tool set. Either Kallen talks or Suzaku extracts the information he needs forcibly and with the backlash regarding the issue of torture is it not preferable for drugs to be used rather than the crude methods of hacking off her limbs and breaking her bones?

    Drug trafficking seems to be a criminal activity that involves people from across the board without regard to nationality. Let’s not forget that there were 11s and possibly Chinese involved as well. As a part of this War on Drugs I can tell you now that this illusion that some how only one nation can smuggle drugs into a country is patently false you still need corrupt officials in the targeted area to conduct your operations.

    This assumes that Suzaku knows precisely what is transpiring in his mind, but while Lulu has is own demons to deal with its not like Lulu has been telling Suzaku anything. Suzaku wasn’t there so he had to reconstruct the event with the details he had. Lulu has proved capable of murder, the method was inline with Lulu’s previous murders, Lulu fled the scene of the crime shortly after, it looked like a suicide, but even Suzaku knows that Shirley wasn’t the kind of girl to an hero herself. With this it is hard to fault him for drawing a flawed conclusion. He never had a chance to interrogate Lulu and as far as he knows Rolo is on his side. Lulu is a duplicitous fellow and he did spare Euphie before only to off her later. It’s not like Lulu has been coming clean with the reasons why he’s killing people. If one is ignorant of Lulu’s internal struggles and the only thing people on the outside can see are his actions, Lulu’s certifiably insane and bloodthirsty.

    Suzaku is ignorant of Lulu’s so called “morality struggles” so I doubt we can blame him for not knowing things about Lulu given that Lulu isn’t sharing with anyone with exception to C2. Lulu was involved, and that makes him the most likely suspect as he was the only one who was close enough to Shirley, that he knew of, who could have gotten close enough to pull the trigger to make it look like a suicide and the only one who could have geassed Shirley into killing herself. Again Suzaku’s conclusion is not far off and not merely an attempt to shift blame onto Lulu for no reason. The evidence is there, Lulu was involved and as the only other person in the area who knew Shirley and had the power to make it look like a suicide is Lulu that alone makes him the prime suspect.

  10. Silver Angel Said,

    July 15, 2008 @ 3:22 am

    Just wanted to say I agree with Magnius of the Chaos. There’s no point in blaming everything on Lelouch, when really, alot of the things that happened can be traced back to people who are more to blame then he is.

    And Suzaku, Suzaku, Suzaku. What can I say? It seems like he’s thrown out all of his morals and values, and is willing to basically touture a friend for the sake of destroying Zero. I mean, what’s up with that? Psycho-much? Plus, I don’t even understand why he would think Lelouch would ever want kill Shirley. Did he not jump over the side of a buliding to catch her, and risk his own life in the process? Why would, only minutes after that, would he want to murder her? He is so sick, blaming everything on Lelouch, EVERYTHING, and not being man enough to take responsibility for his part.

    Still, I can’t help but hope somehow, someway, some sort of partially happy ending will work itself out. Really Lelouch and Suzaku are both at fault in their own ways, but I don’t think either of them can’t be redeemed in each others minds if they would just face each other, and talk it out. Also, I’d love to see some Kallen x Lelouch action. So yeah, a happy ending, or even a semi-happy ending would be great, even though it might not ever happen.

    Also, just wondering, does anyone else feel extremely sorry for Shirley’s mom? I mean first she lost her hubbie, and now her (what I’m assuming is), her only daughter?! All of a sudden she’s a widow, and all alone in the world. That. Sucks.

  11. Heero Yuy Said,

    July 15, 2008 @ 4:41 am

    So uh yeah, since everyone else here has pretty much covered all the details, I just want to say I’m happy that this show is finally PROGRESSING somewhere.

    About halfway into this episode when the city was being destroyed by the Black Knights, I was willing to bet a large sum of cash that V.V. had something cooked up as a backup in case. Sure enough he showed up in that cruddy 10 minutes of MSPaint of a mech, and starts regaining his footing (dunno why, but I feel weird calling V.V. a guy….). I started to get a bit angry since it seemed like the battle was starting to fall apart (AGAIN…), but you can imagine my EXTREME joy when Cornelia showed up and completely kicked him off the table! I thought to myself FINALLY! FINALLY Lulu’s plan is getting somewhere. Then the whole jump to the Sword of Akasha with the Emperor showdown thing was just bonus cake. I’ll just say I’m really happy where this is going….except for Suzaku and Kallen…

    Yeah, I agree with you guys when it comes to Suzaku. He needs to get a taste of Hinamizawa. In fact, I’m beginning to wonder if he’s L5 or something yet… (lol)

  12. Haesslich Said,

    July 15, 2008 @ 6:20 am

    Magnium: In a way, Shirley’s death IS Lulu’s fault… for not killing off Rolo earlier. Basically, Lulu had a loose cannon running around without any sort of supervision, one psychotically devoted to him. He already should’ve known from experience and observation that anyone who pushed Rolo’s brocon button should die, as he probably would’ve found out about the dead intelligence agents by now, if not had some direct experience with Rolo’s extreme willingness to off people. So, in a way, Suzaku’s right… if you subscribe to that point of view.

    And that’s how Suzaku’s looking at things – everything is Zero/Lulu’s fault, if you twist things around that way. And once Zero’s dead, and things are still going to hell, he’ll blame the Black Knights. Once they’re all dead, then he’ll shift the blame to everyone but himself.

    Crusader: I’m not just saying they had the potential to be Rolos – they were already acting like him. At this point, they were already enemy combatants, the way a child running towards you with a grenade is considered one. And don’t forget that, in Vietnam, kids WERE killing American soldiers since that’s a subject of interest with you; they weren’t just helpless civilian bystanders at that point. And, last I looked, bombing villagers who were harboring terrorists has been condoned as legitimate military activity, so you don’t have much room to criticize his actions there either.

  13. Sheeraz Said,

    July 15, 2008 @ 6:30 am

    No matter how bad this show is, there will always be an army of zombies willing to watch it.

  14. Crusader Said,

    July 15, 2008 @ 7:33 am

    Here’s the caveat Rolo is prone to striking first and it was not they who fired the first shot. I know the rules of engagement, and honestly I preferred the olde doctrine of simply avoiding occupation and urban centers altogether. In truth it was not a lawful order even my line of work as there was no overt clear and present danger as old men and women running away don’t exactly constitute a threat to me. I would not exactly say shooting refugees is acceptable even now. Nevertheless the Black Knights were shooting at people who were non-combatants who were fleeing. Given how there was only one significant military unit within the complex it should have been more of a controlled siege that a sudden strike since V2 had no reinforcements and Lulu was in friendly territory. It should have been conducted as a police action than a military one. I still think the children were acting out in self-defense, and given how the Black Knights were firing at anything that moved and giving no quarter I think they were most justified in protecting themselves. It’s not like Lulu was taking any prisoners and running away would have gotten them shot in the back. If you cannot attack, retreat; if you cannot retreat, defend; if yuou cannot defend, die. I think they made it up to defend.

    Bombing an enemy city is one thing its quite another to go about strafing refugee columns. Collateral damage is to be avoided, here it was actively sought and delivered. In C2’s case her men fired on people who had already surrendered hence she was killing POWs that’s bad no matter how you cut it. I know it happens but even then in the 1960s we tried to avoid it with strategic hamlet programs and limited war, here the objective was from the outset was to massacre everyone. Even I don’t want to go back to the days of medieval warfare where troops had the right to rape, pillage, plunder, and burn. Urban combat is and always will be bloody business that is why most doctrine calls for avoiding them from the start. I still think that is a wise policy that should have continued.

  15. Xellos-_^ Said,

    July 15, 2008 @ 7:42 am

    i am just thinking of all the new h-doujins that will come out featuring Kallen/Refrain/Suzuka :D

  16. Haesslich Said,

    July 15, 2008 @ 8:13 am

    Crusader: You’re forgetting that the OotBK started out as terrorists, until Zero took them over and made them terrorists with a mission. These are the people who bombed buildings and killed innocents; this isn’t exactly out of line for them either. They weren’t just refugees – they were the equivalent of Nazi scientists and weapons technicians, who were actively engaged in the war as much as anyone who was out there firing a rifle was. The Geass users are dangerous because their geasses aren’t like a simple rifle or pistol that can kill one person at a time, but more like a bomb or grenade which can kill multiple people at once with little warning, or nerve gas. This may have been revenge, but at the same time it was also a rather (permanent) way of dealing with people who could’ve destroyed the BK’s with literally a thought.

    This is also a world which apparently never saw the Geneva Convention regarding warfare. Between the fact that the OotBK ARE a terrorist organization which didn’t have any qualms about killing civilians before, the fact that this was a group of people who were possessed of Geasses which made each one the equivalent of a Rolo in terms of lethality, and that they were using Geasses (even if it was in self-defense) to attack BK personnel… I don’t see how they could’ve avoided it, even if Lulu wasn’t in a mind of eliminating the Geass Cult for good. All it would’ve taken was one Geass and then the BK’s would’ve been wiped out, even if they’d approached peaceably. Only someone like V.V. or C.C. would’ve been able to resist, from what I can tell… or Jeremiah.

  17. Mangius of the Chaos Said,

    July 15, 2008 @ 8:27 am

    @ Haesslich
    Wait, who is this Magnium you speak of? >_>
    Like I said, Suzaku blames everything on everyone besides himself, with Lelouch being the everyone in questions.

    @ Heero
    “He needs to get a taste of Hinamizawa.”
    That was an awesome way to put it. My hat to you. XD

    The massacre… nope, still not bothered to think it about it. I’ll leave it to you English-speaking people.

  18. arigatou Said,

    July 15, 2008 @ 8:54 am

    Well Lelouch can kill Suzaku anytime now using the GEASS CANCELLER, then REMOVING THE SENSE OF TIME GEASS and finally Lelouch’s POWER OF THE KING GEASS “Protect Nunally with your Life otherwise kill yourself.”

    It seems Charles will shutdown V.V. and it would be Charles vs Lelouch for the whole episode, trying to GEASS first each other!?. The main reason Charles let Lelouch live probably to figure out who killed Marianne since he is not the one who ordered it.

    Mirror Scenario

    When Marianne died, Charles seems didn’t care but actually he does hiddenly planning to take vengeance towards V.V. using Lelouch.

    When Shirley died, Lelouch seems didn’t care but actually he does hiddenly planning take vengeance towards Rolo and all other Geass Users using everyone at his disposal.

    Both of them are liars.

    I can see that Lelouch will die in the final episode with Shirley waiting for him in the heavens.

  19. Crusader Said,

    July 15, 2008 @ 9:08 am

    I still think of the geass kids as child soldiers in the making rather than ticking time bombs. With a bit of proper parenting maybe they would not have turned out so bad, considering that every geass user so far has has so much emotional baggage. I agree that it was fitting of such terrorists, but I suppose your are right in that morality has no application to the dastardly doings of terrorist scum. Still makes you wonder just what kind of future is Lulu building upon this foundation of corpses. For a guy who use to get things done the somewhat quite way I am surprised that a commando operation with Orange-kun in tow was not used. There is just something distasteful about shooting an unarmed man, woman, or child. Then again it is well that this Lulu’s War is so terrible, lest we get too fond of it.

    Sooner or later so long as Lulu insists that this is the only way Lulu is going to have to form his own SS to do the dirty work like killing women and children without asking too many questions. Just because Dresden was necessary does not mean that it was not distasteful.

  20. Mangius of the Chaos Said,

    July 15, 2008 @ 9:11 am

    A Geass battle between Charles and Lelouch would be kind of like a Yu-Gi-Oh! card battle. Constantly trying to use Geass while avoiding each other’s Geass. It’s like that Yu-Gi-Oh! episode where they play card games and trigger like fifty trap cards and spell cards in one turn, despite the fact that trap cards need to be set for at least one turn and that only quick / instant spell cards can be used during the opponent’s turn. Then they’d run out of cards and resort to face-to-face direct confrontation.

    Considering that both of their Geass require eye-contact…
    Charles has two eyes with Geass, while Lelouch has one.
    Charles probably takes more time than Lelouch, since he probably needs to change the memory while in contact while Lelouch can trigger it at once.
    If both of them used it on each other at the same time, it would be like…


  21. cid Said,

    July 15, 2008 @ 10:33 am

    CHARLES NO!!!!!!

  22. DrmChsr0 Said,

    July 15, 2008 @ 11:47 am

    charles loves the boobs.

    also those who blame others usually have themselves to lame.

  23. Magnius of the Chaos Said,

    July 15, 2008 @ 11:56 am

    Everyone loves ’em. Only Lulu doesn’t love them, but he’s got a sister complex.

    Oh wait, Li Xingke doesn’t care for them either. But he’s a lolicon.

  24. wolfx Said,

    July 15, 2008 @ 11:56 am

    I’m kinda sad that Geass is now reduced to 2 seasons rather than 3. :(

  25. liathgirl Said,

    July 15, 2008 @ 12:42 pm

    Giving Refrain to Kallen, or even THREATENING to give it to Kallen has Suzaku sinking to an all time low even for that asshole. But does anyone else suspect that Suzaku is doing all this just to get his own personal revenge on Lelouch. Suzaku WANTS Zero to be Lelouch so that then he can have another reason to hate him. Shirley saw that in the last episode, Lelouch is alone – the memory of his sister was destroyed, his mother is dead, he can’t even SEE Nunnally without something bad happening. Suzaku has completely locked Lelouch away, there’s nothing left except his war with Britannia. In a very serious way, it is because of Suzaku that Lelouch is fighting again. Shirley saw that Lelouch was alone, even surrounded by friends as he may have been he was utterly alone. His sister was gone, he has an insane ‘brother’, and Suzaku breathing down his neck.
    Suzaku jumped the gun if he thought that Lelouch would kill Shirley just because she got her memories back (if anything, he would have simply Geassed her again, you idiot, not killed her), he’s looking for reasons to hate Lelouch even more. The truth of the matter is, not only does he want Lelouch to be Zero, he wants to blame Lelouch for everything – Shirley’s death, Euphy’s death, maybe even the death of his father and his family. But really, what more can Suzaku take from Lelouch? His sister is Suzaku’s prisoner (Watch the anime people! Nunnally tells Kallen that she only talks to Suzaku and isn’t allowed to see the others, little does she know its because they don’t remember her), his mother is dead, Shirley and Euphy are dead – really Suzaku what more can you take from him?
    Threatening Kallen just to prove your own suspicions, why don’t you just face Lelouch like a man you roach. Confront him, stop tap-dancing around Lelouch and go after him you idiot! SHADOW HIM OR SOMETHING IF YOU DON’T TRUST ANYONE ELSE TO DO IT FOR YOU STOP BLAMING HIM WITHOUT ANY JUST CAUSE YOU ASS!
    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again – with ‘FRIENDS’ like Suzaku, Lelouch really doesn’t need any enemies.

  26. Son Gohan Said,

    July 16, 2008 @ 3:53 pm

    I can’t believe that the Lulufags are so quick to jump all over Suzaku just for using drugs to make a prisoner talk, while they are willing to justify Lulu for slaughtering an entire facility full of children, women and old men. They were armless scientists begging for their life, yet he killed them all mercilessly. I RAGED so much at that.
    Lulufags say that the Geass children were mini-Rollos, but Lulu could have sent Orange with his Geass Canceller active to restrain the kids, blindfold them and put them into a cell. Then they could have been re-educated to serve the BK’s cause! They were innocent souls that only did what they were taught to do. They didn’t deserve to die. Damn Lulu, damn you straight to hell!!

  27. liathgirl Said,

    July 16, 2008 @ 10:32 pm

    Morals run high with this anime, more so then any other perhaps because it is about a war that, honestly, no one wants. I admit that I want to justify what Lelou has done that it does hurt to think of those innocents who have died, even if they are just make believe. The fact of the matter is, in reality or anime – war doesn’t discriminate against combatant and noncombatant. Lives are lost even when we try our damnedest to limit the human fatality. The reason so many people like Lelou is not just because he’s the main character (although that plays a very big role in the reason behind it) it’s because in this anime he symbolizes a much needed change and most of all – he symbolizes hope.
    It is the same with Suzaku, although I have my reasons for not liking him I acknowledge that he does symbolize a much needed change and a chance at hope. He saved a million people, despite whatever else he’s done since then, we cannot deny that he is also a very important person to Lelou and Nunnally. Despite their differences, despite their past, I think the only way for this anime to be resolved is for the two of them to join forces. If anything one of my reasons for hating Suzaku so much is because he is betraying Euphy’s memory. Euphy asked Lelou to join her, and if circumstances had been different, Zero would have walked out of that meeting with Euphy and the two of them would have changed the world. Euphy had the ability to forgive, Suzaku is holding to fast to his anger and hatred to understand that.

  28. lurkster Said,

    July 17, 2008 @ 10:48 am

    Son Gohan, not all of the geass users require eye-contact… some may have powers like Rolo and be able to escape. Can’t ever trust anyone in the cult, that’s exactly why Lelouch ordered the death of everyone.

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