Code Geass R2 11
Okay, so the fake Lelouch is Ninja Sayoko after all. Kinda shivered at seeing Lelouch act so girly when alone with Rollo. Also, surprise kiss on Shirley gg!
And this brings the end of the China arc for Geass R2. Of course our dear Zero is never without backup plans, and with some egging on of the Eunuchs, proclaiming they don’t care about the citizens and what not, Lelouch manages to inspire nationwide rebellions against them and takes the win, Xingke, Tianzi and China in one fell swoop, although poor Karen is now POW on Avalon, along with Guren. Sadly for poor Kallen, it looks like they’re not followers of the Geneva Convention.
With China in his hands, Lelouch decides to return to Area 11, no doubt worried about his aloof image falling in to further pieces, with Sayoko taking his place for the past week(?) or so. Unfortunately (or fortunately), he returns right in time to face a very, very confused Shirley, who has just gotten kissed by Sayoko-Lelouch and also the sudden transfer of Vino and Anya in to Ashford Academy. Cue the start of the school comedy plots.
Seriously, the writing for Geass is still crap, although the side effect is the show being unintentionally hilarious to the Zero-degree quite much makes up for things, I say.
One wonders why food is given when she’s fully gagged.
Fanservice!
Fanservice again!
Anonymous Said,
June 22, 2008 @ 10:38 pm
“Seriously, the writing for Geass is still crap, although the side effect is the show being unintentionally hilarious to the Zero-degree quite much makes up for things, I say. ”
In before butthurt people post.
Camario Said,
June 23, 2008 @ 12:13 am
Code Geass has never had award-winning writing, that much I can quite clearly tell, but right now it’s losing focus with all the pandering and needless tangents, which isn’t anything new either but seemed to be done more effectively earlier on. Guess it’s a case of trying to do too many things at once in a limited number of episodes, for whatever reason.
Still, the show does entertain, intentionally or otherwise, plus it’s not the worst written show ever or anything -not even the worst this season either-, and I’d hope the upcoming comedy episode is some sort of last hurrah for the whole school scenario, at least in its current form.
linkinstreet Said,
June 23, 2008 @ 1:33 am
Some thing I noticed
1 - Is Anya has anything to do with the Lelouch’s family? Especially Marianne?
2 - Lelouch’s emo at Karen being sent to Suzaku seems to show that he appreciate her more than just his best pilot. Honestly I see him speaking with Karen more nowadays than with C.C.
yanipheonu Said,
June 23, 2008 @ 2:20 am
Karen: “Why does this shit always happen to me?”
I think one of the producers or something really doesn’t like her…
Kaioshin Sama Said,
June 23, 2008 @ 2:34 am
And yet it’s writing is still better then 90% of anime I can think of, it’s just the only one that ever get’s complained about CONSTANTLY for it’s writing. And you know what, it’s getting kind of old, like really what does it prove anymore to just say the series has such awful writingt. You have something better in mind Kurogane?
Also apparently you are psychic because you’ve somehow predicted that the enterity of the next episode is somehow solely comedy based.
You know I used to kind of like your blog and find your writing amusing, but really now I you just see you’re like every other hater that blogs this series and thinks he’s got something unique going in his views of it.
Code Geass, Bad Writing, still beats this blog post .
semtex Said,
June 23, 2008 @ 4:43 am
What I learned from Code Geass and True Tears its that you can’t use the previews to predict the full story, making it often unpredictable and perhaps even a few ohhhhhh and ahhhhh. My point is that you just accept it and go with the flow, bad writing is perhaps too harsh, more like a change of more relax atmosphere too all that war(depends on the person). For me the end(and previews) was just exellent and foreshadowing a lot of things. (2 knights of rounds in range of Lulu’s Geass? Which haven’t been geassed yet xD)
The Hordesman Said,
June 23, 2008 @ 5:21 am
I have to agree with Kaioshin, Code Geass might not be top of the cream when it comes to writing, but it isn’t too bad either, I’ve seen alot worse, too many times, and all these mindgames is pretty much what keeps it alive, I have no reason to watch them run-to-the-mill mecha series, there must be something extra to it.
But yes, I would like to see less of plot twists we saw coming.
Camario Said,
June 23, 2008 @ 5:31 am
It’s not a bad show, overall, I think it does have genuinely good moments -even well written ones-, but the way this arc ended (or how it began, if we go back to Turn 8) could have used several improvements, to say the least.
I’m sure the next episode will not be entirely comedic, but it’s probably the prevailing element, going by Turn 5, even if we do get some serious and relevant plot points or actual developments while Lelouch is running around with a weird hat (maybe escaping from Shirley, among others?). It’s not 100% comedy, but the pacing could be improved if such episodes were fewer and further between.
Quikstryke Said,
June 23, 2008 @ 7:20 am
is it just me or anyone else get this huge feeling susaku is gonna start getting romantically attached to karen while she is in captivity.
Moody Said,
June 23, 2008 @ 7:23 am
I think the Code Geass R2 is finally coming together. The build up to Lelouch’s win finally made sense mainly because of previous episodes of the China arc. He was able to trigger the chinese rebellion successfully because Xingke had planned it initially and writers made it a point that Lelouch was running parallel plans to Xingke and came across his. Personally, I liked the twist at the end with the knights of rounds attending school. If the next episode just started at Ashford then it would be considered a bad change of pace. I started reading blogs for R2 only because I got curious what other people think. I realized if I had read blogs during the first season I wouldnt enjoy it as much and nitpick every detail because I have to align my thinking to bloggers. I think the blogger community is doing a good and thankless job but their ego gets in the way. For instance if a blogger has condemned a show to be bad then that show is doomed to be crap the rest of the way. Thats not usually the case. As a personal rule I watch a minimum of 7 episodes of a series before making a judgement. Bloggers cant admit being wrong when they realise a show has made a come back or improved because they can not go back on their words most of the time.
Most of the comments here will be: It was a good episode, much better than the last few ones and your bias will not be appreciated. (The bias is getting closer and closer to Nina’s prejudice craziness)
Anyway, keep blogging because you have interesting comments and I will keep reading this page.
du5k Said,
June 23, 2008 @ 8:16 am
Kaioshin Sama- “You know I used to kind of like your blog and find your writing amusing, but really now I you just see you’re like every other hater that blogs this series and thinks he’s got something unique going in his views of it.”
Does one sentence make him a hater? Come on, he says it’s crap probably because it IS crap. And the number of people who says the same gotta mean something.
“Personally, I liked the twist at the end with the knights of rounds attending school.”
Really? lol. I think everyone saw that coming.
Chaos2Frozen Said,
June 23, 2008 @ 9:55 am
“Really? lol. I think everyone saw that coming.”
It doesn’t count if you read the spoilers beforehand.
Syaoran Li Said,
June 23, 2008 @ 10:39 am
Well, well, what do we gave here?
I guess everyone has the right to say what it feels towards something at some point in the way, but maybe, just maybe, the people who complains about how Code Geass R2 isn’t a great show is because, after so many series that promised too much, crashed miserable and don’t want to see that happening to something that started really good. You know, I’ve a friend that is really picky when it comes to watch series, but he liked Code Geass because it brings something different to its genre; since Lelouch isn’t a badass pilot, or a splendid fighter; he used the gift from CC and his intelligence to elaborate everything. I guess we’re hoping for a good outcome for the series, after everything that has happened since the first season.
Good luck SUNRISE.
Kaioshin Sama Said,
June 23, 2008 @ 11:39 am
@du5k: No it doesn’t, not when I’ve yet to see a single person say the writing sucks followed by a reason. All I get is the writing sucks and that’s it, which leads me to believe people are just either agreeing for the sake of it or they’ve really got nothing to say. Though you seem to have made up your mind. You can’t just say something is something and expect everybody to just surrender and agree (okay well in todays internet age you sort of can because of the general apathy people show in forming their own conclusions about something). I’m sorry I’m going to need something more then it’s crap because it is before I can say Kurogane is not just running with the whole popular hate meme I’m saying these days.
@Syaoran Li: I guess I haven’t had that happen to me much so I have the benefit of watching things with pretty much neutral expectations. Lucky me I guess.
“I think the blogger community is doing a good and thankless job but their ego gets in the way. For instance if a blogger has condemned a show to be bad then that show is doomed to be crap the rest of the way. Thats not usually the case. As a personal rule I watch a minimum of 7 episodes of a series before making a judgement. Bloggers cant admit being wrong when they realise a show has made a come back or improved because they can not go back on their words most of the time.” - Moody
Jason Miao and Darkmirage much? Anyway quoted for the sweet sweet truth, but also it’s a little sad at the same time.
The way I do it from my standpoint as a blogger for the past year is approximately 3 episodes as a trial run and if I find something interesting I will keep watching. I however do not make any comments about the overall script/writing until a series is completely finished and I can see the whole picture because I’d rather not be wrong at any point as living with the shame is worse than anything. Pluis really that’s the only chance where you can definitively look back and say “this series rocks” or “this series sucks”.
Scarface Said,
June 23, 2008 @ 1:02 pm
i have a feeling karen might be geassed by the emperor and turned into a knight of the rounds, it’d be a good plot twist. remember it took a lot to get lulu’s memory back and he was weak ass shit. how hard would it be to get back a knight’s memory. This way we can get karen back into a school uniform :D.
but if that does happen can’t the emperor force karen to tell who zero is?
Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,
June 23, 2008 @ 1:45 pm
Gee, I sure stepped in to a landmine myself. I was writing that statement half-jokingly, but it is true I am rather disappointed with certain aspects of the show up till now.
To answer a certain “Mr. K” here, here’s some of my reasons:
1. The whole arbitrariness of the China arc, being it rather short and full of so much random plot twists and turns here and there. First, the million Zero’s, then the chess match and finally, the “Your fate is in your hands, Tianzhi!”. Let’s not forget poor Kallen got kidnapped.
2. The China arc brought on more distractions to the show. I’m more interested in what happened to Nunnally, now that she is the G’vner-General of Area 11, and after the Million Zeros fiasco.
3. Then there is also the fact that Lelouch STILL can’t give up his student life, and actually returns back to Ashford, and all this while, he gets Sayoko to take his place. Not to mention, that this wasn’t mentioned until last week.
4. Shirley gets more romantic plot abuse and the general lack of C.C airtime.
5. Why are the Knights of Round suddenly studying at Ashford as well? Anya, I don’t mind, since she does look the part, but even Vino? C’mon. I really can’t believe the Brittanian government is that free to allow three of their top aces to go waste time at school. I sure hope the other Knights aren’t as carefree as they are.
And that’s all I have to say about the topic at hand, lest I be accused of just saying things without reason.
Well, some people might accept it, and some might not, but let me make it clear that I still think Geass is a fun show to watch for me personally, despite the prerequisite leaps and suspensions of logic that one must make, even more frequently now than back in season 1.
Anonymous Said,
June 23, 2008 @ 2:34 pm
And why do I not find it surprising Kaioshin has jumped into this topic with all arms flailing? I wonder if he does this in real life whenever a stranger says something he doesn’t agree with.
Sunrise can write and direct a good show - Sunrise haters should watch some of their lesser known shows, such as Planetes and Turn A Gundam, to see what they’re capable of. However, the fanservice, school elements, and complete lack of development in terms of the plot elements I find are Code Geass’ downfalls.
I mean we’re still dicking around with skirmishes when we should be concentrating with Zero’s fight against Britannia, the Geass itself, and the mystery behind his mother (which was made pretty important in the first Season). Then again, I’m not really the type of person who likes the plot being held behind the veil until the last minute, which I think will be unveiled when the show is on the final straight.
One thing most shows can do better than Geass is present it like a story that is at least completely viewable in one single viewing. You sometimes have to watch an episode multiple times to see the major interactions and frankly I don’t enjoy Geass that much to watch an episode again and again just to make sure I haven’t missed anything. The pacing of events is brutal but probably would not be required if they took out everything completely useless (otherwards, quite a fair amount).
Perhaps because of the reasons above, and the fact this season is chock-a-block full of fanservice, I can’t be screwed watching it for anything but instant gratification.
Kaisos Said,
June 23, 2008 @ 2:46 pm
Last season had more fanservice than this one…
Personally, I thought this episode was awesome.
Quikstryke Said,
June 23, 2008 @ 4:26 pm
Ok let me say i totally enjoyed the china arc. its tru they introduced a whole new set of charcs in the china arc, but that was ok with me cuz they got rid of a lot of old distractions liek the academy and nullally. (at least i thought)
infact i HATE the fact theyre going back to the japan, it seems like its going backwrds to me. With china i was expecting him to start moving westward on a owning brittania campaign. Now its back to the pointless crap at the academy instead of an awesome international campaign.
I dont need to know what minute crap happened with nullally considering they already said shes now handling the japanese, its all i needed to know.
Regarding china arc: The million zeros awesome. xingke’s coup and gun to tianzi’s head more awesome. and the chess game was well integrated, it was the precursor to an actual real time battle btw zero and scheizel. and of note, they both ended up showing the other they’re alike and dont think like the emperor.
unfortunate bout karen considering i really liked her, but zero personally promised to save her, and im sure he will.
plus side lelouch now has an opportunity to geass anya and gino. I dont see susaku around either. he should just have them self destruct their suits killing themselves in their next major battle. even if susaku is around no way he would know they were geassed to do so. perfect and easy way to get rid of 2 rounds :)
Kaioshin Sama Said,
June 23, 2008 @ 5:42 pm
@Kurogane:
Hmmm…..well these are mostly just your reception more than bad writing. I think I can rationalize most of those:
1. There weren’t really that many plot twists per se. It was mostly layered and reasons behind actions revealed in an unusual order in a way that maximizes the thrill value of it and eventually all of those came together in this episode. Code Geass has quirky writing, but I wouldn’t call it crap.
2. Ah, see that’s your interest and has nothing to do with the quality of the writing.
3. Actually he goes back there to meet with Rolo, to try and find the location of the Geass ruins and to formulate a strategy to get back Karen. Plus he does need to check up on things their a little. He still has friends back there and I’d be disappointed if he suddenly forgot about them entirely. The way plot revelations come about can be raised as an issue though I think so fair enough. It doesn’t bother me much though.
4. Hmm….sorry I don’t really follow this one at all. It doesn’t really highlight any sort of crap factor other then something you wish you hadn’t seen and wish you had.
5. I have a hunch they are keeping tabs on Lelouch like Suzaku would be if he were actually there. He’s kind of busy with Karen right now. If you don’t think this then yeah, wow that was a strange ending to the episode.
Anyway, thank you for sharing your opinion, but it really seems to be just that. I’m not really convinced any more or less that the quality of the series writing is crappy.
@Anonymous: I don’t think Code Geass is at all an instant gratification series. The payoff is in seeing plot lines come together in my opinion. In fact I think it’s one of the least instant gratification type anime I’ve seen in a while. I would find it very hard to watch it expecting instant gratification and actually enjoy it.
And yes I’m kind of intense when it comes to debating stuff in real life and online. People frequently claim I give off an aura once I start getting into a deep discussion and that I should be a politician or something. I don’t know much about that, but meh, that’s the answer to your question.
Veggies Said,
June 23, 2008 @ 5:54 pm
“And yet it’s writing is still better then 90% of anime I can think of, it’s just the only one that ever get’s complained about CONSTANTLY for it’s writing.”
1. lol
2. Just from this season, Kaiba and Chiko, Heiress of the Phantom Thief.
3. Most anime does have crappy writing, however most anime doesn’t pretend to be so OH MY GOD MIND GAMES, LOOK I’M L AND THIS SHIT IS DEEP!!111! Plus the fact that a number of the episodes are basically based around on how supposedly cunning Lulu is. Hence if the writing isn’t so hot it becomes a lot more, ‘wow, this anime is mired in stupid’ since it has fewer other elements to shore it up.
I mean really, take away the writing and what you have left is a few short fight sequences and fanservice shots of the girls (specifically cc and Kallen).
Anonymous Said,
June 23, 2008 @ 6:23 pm
“I would find it very hard to watch it expecting instant gratification and actually enjoy it.”
Thank god you still remember what a opinion is.
Now please understand people may think your masterpiece is rubbish and vice versa. Seriously, I think people would troll Sunrise shows just to see you worked up. I literally facepalmed at the amount of ‘BAAAAAAW people are bagging my good Sunrise shows!’/'KYOANI ISN’T AS GOOD AS EVERYONE SAYS!’ shit that you’ve been doing for the past year or two, even if you may be completely correct.
Seriously mate, it’s good you have passion for your favourite shows but geez you’re pretty damned fanatical. You should take a leaf out of IKnight’s (Animanachronism) book if you wish to be taken more seriously.
Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,
June 23, 2008 @ 6:54 pm
@Anon: It is funny to see him act more as a fanatical hater than those he calls one. It’s always good to see discussion, but it would be a lot better if he doesn’t do it in a way that generally makes him look like a complete douchebag, amirite?
Oh and the other commentators brought up another point I failed to include, i.e. the quality of Lulu’s “mind games”. Sure it was fun the first time around, but in the end, his tactics all continue to be same, i.e. push himself in to a pinch, then engineer a “miracle” mostly involving geassing someone to do something dirty.
Anyways, I think I’ve said enough on the subject matter for now. I think I will enjoy next week’s school comedy episode, provided there isn’t any more giant pizza’s again. I swear… one more time….
semtex Said,
June 23, 2008 @ 8:52 pm
Totally forgot there was a pizza concept in this with all the war and C.C. in mecha duels ,no wonder Pizza Hut haven’t got any screentime. Hopefully next episode doesn’t include another giant pizza.
liathgirl Said,
June 23, 2008 @ 9:08 pm
Suzaku better not even think of touching Kallen! That bastard’s done enough damage to Lelouch already! I don’t care if Lelouch killed his girlfriend, (personally I thought she deserved to die after hurting Nunnally like that! Suzaku belongs to Nunnally you whore!) Suzaku needs to stop messing with Lelouch’s life! >:( He makes me sooooooo MAD!!!! I just want Lelouch to kick him three times in the nuts! Once for Suzaku’s father, a second time for Japan, and once more for betraying Lulu and Nunnally like that! *Grinds teeth together in frustration* I’d gladly kick his arse for Lulu.
du5k Said,
June 23, 2008 @ 10:52 pm
Chaos2Frozen - “It doesn’t count if you read the spoilers beforehand.”
Of course it doesnt. It’s just very sunrise anyway.
Youwha? Said,
June 24, 2008 @ 12:58 am
@liathgirl:
People like you makes me believe that there is still hope for mankind! (T.T)
I was thinking of the exact same thing when I came across Suzaku eying Kallen when she was tied down.
@ everyone arguing whether CG is crap or not:
Code Geass has been going down in ratings lately but I still find myself attached to the show personally because I have been watching it since it first came out and you never know ’till the fat lady sings right? Sunrise could still pull off some major skills that will determine whether or not the series will end crapily or happily. I mean they are the producers are they not? Or they could pull off a 180 degree twist of fate like Canvas 2 and end the anime with major pissed off and WTF reactions from the fans. In any case the ending of the anime usually changes your opinion about the entire series… well for most people like me anyways. So we can’t loose faith in CG yet unless the end is a major disappointment that could jeprodize the title and sake of the whole series. When this happens I’ll personally come down to their studio and stab their sorry arses.
So you guys should wait till the end of the series to start a riot cause most likely many people will be! ^.^ OH unless of course they plan to make a 3rd season… in this case.. try to wait until the 3rd season ends xP I don’t think people will though..
A third season, I think is needed in my opinion! And they should change the girl fanservice into an all out Lulu fanservice.. like the CG picture book part when Lulu came out to the beach in his short swim wear.. at that moment I was in pure bliss, that I was. *starts drooling.
Kaioshin Sama Said,
June 24, 2008 @ 4:25 am
@Anon I love how people always dodge responsibility for arguing their own point by going after me as a person. I also don’t know where I ever referred to the series as a masterpiece, because I think it’s nowhere near one. It’s not even close to being one of my favourite shows ever, I much prefer the likes of Escaflowne, Legend of The Galactic Heroes, Gundam etc (Yes I’m a Sci-Fi/Fantasy Junkie). I just enjoy it, that’s all and like to discuss, debate and argue it’s merits and weaknesses. I to am allowed to have opinions right?
I mean I could just go along and agree with everything every blogger writes (I think that’s something animeblogger has a little to much of), but that would make for a pretty boring discussion. I’m not a person that likes to hate anybody either, I’m usually just brutally honest. Anyways everything you’ve said makes all the sense in the world to me, but it kind of goes both ways. People make a point I disagree with and I like to talk about it.
You want more honesty? Right now I worry about how they are going to tie everything up as well. I think the story features to many out of place moments of light comedy that cheapen some of the scenes lately and I think some characters are being used merely for these types of scenes, which is unfortunate. Crap though? No. I prefer to take the middle ground and wait it out before making up my mind on that front.
@Veggies: “I mean really, take away the writing and what you have left is a few short fight sequences and fanservice shots of the girls”
That’s like the 50th time I’ve seen somebody make a comment like this. Yes it’s true, take away everything else but certain elements and what you are left with is those elements. I could watch it that way too if I wanted and cheapen the experience in the process. :/
And you know both those parts where you guys get really into the caps lock and bring up common talking points about the series have never been points I’ve tried to push so you are bringing up the wrong counterargument. You’d probably be better off using those on some random fanboys because as much as you want to believe it, I’m not one of them. Right now the series is running as an above average one for me, but I do think there are a lot of points people are either missing or ignoring in their haste to condemn it. If that makes me a douchbag for pointing that out then so be it I guess. Also facepalms and lols are kind of wasted on me as I tend to just read right past them for the popular slang they are.
@Kurogane: Actually recently it’s been messing with the terrain, which got really old fast. This time around it was actually something kind of unusual that relied on several events happening at a number of different points in time as well as what Li did in his actions to make things work out. That wasn’t all the episode was about though I’d argue as they still brought up all that stuff about Karen, the Geass cult and Shirley. Kind of sets up the next few episodes, whatever is going to happen then. I just hope it’s better than Episode 08 of Macross Frontier and more like episode 05 (albeit with different content) where only about 5 minutes were devoted to bull**** antics and the rest was used for character development and plot exposition for Suzaku. I don’t know though, it does look bad from the preview, but then again a lot of episodes look bad from the preview and turn out to be above average to good.
CrisisDarkerXIV Said,
June 24, 2008 @ 5:13 am
I’ve read through the comments (and the arguments) and I find myself standing beside Kaioshin.
I can list some anime that have whack writing: Macross Frontier, Nabari no Ou, Tower of Druaga are just a few. Bland characters, old story mechanics, Cheesy-factors, etc.
IMO, CG is much better than most current anime (Bleach and Naruto? Ninja please…)
As for the pleas not for another Giant Pizza festival-thing. I do want to see another one, where they actually DO finish making one; I bet the Ashford students are grumbling at the same thing I am…
Anonymous Said,
June 24, 2008 @ 6:13 am
“You want more honesty? ”
No:
“Please shut the fuck up, write more of your good blog posts and learn to stop ‘invading’ people’s lawn just because they don’t ‘agree’ with you. Whether or not they’re mentally retarded, who gives a fuck, let them have their fun.”
I didn’t want honesty. I wanted you to stop getting a rod rammed up your ass whenever a blog/someone says something bad about your masterpie-…’show you like’.
Again, you’re right in most cases, but you look like a prick doing so.
Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,
June 24, 2008 @ 12:04 pm
@Youwha?: gb2/y/ ewwwww. Anyways, Geass is popular on both sides of the male-female divide is precisely because it caters to both camps equally. Lose that, and the show will become as popular among the guys as Junjou Romantica.
@CrisisDarker: Say no to forced product placement? The Pizza Hut meme was kinda lulz at first, but it’s starting to get quite a bit contrived if they do it yet again. One giant pizza a season is more than enough.
@Kaoishin-sama: Y’know what, I am looking forward to the show next week, because if it’s one thing that Geass really excels at, it’s all the school comedy episodes. I think I’ve never managed to not enjoy a single episode where Ashford goes crazy with the parties. Man the students are really pretty lucky to get Milly as Prez, if only for the constant raucous events she keeps making up.
I wonder how will Lulu respond to the kiss on Shirley that “he” planted on…. お楽しみに :D
Veggies Said,
June 24, 2008 @ 1:02 pm
@Kaioshin
Since you didn’t actually say anything in your response, let’s try something different. Let me put out one of the most obvious point toward the ‘writing isn’t very good’ argument.
People still treat Suzaku as a completely rational and normal person.
Kaioshin Sama Said,
June 24, 2008 @ 1:11 pm
@Veggies: What you mean the characters in show or the viewers?
Floppy Said,
June 24, 2008 @ 1:53 pm
@CrisisDarkerXIV
Yeah we already know Anime, in general, is generally pretty shit quality-wise. Welcome to 10 years ago.
The Sojourner Said,
June 24, 2008 @ 2:46 pm
Ummm…. So is there anyone else who is excited over the new Knightmare Frame? Haha… I thought its entrance on stage was real cool.
Sheba Said,
June 24, 2008 @ 5:45 pm
Death Note that was often compared to Code Geass has succeeded in one thing, it was to avoid jumping between many topic in an attempt to make it epic or greater than life. In despite of the pile of Xanathos gambits or roulettes, it was still Light vs L or vs his heirs.
Code Geass can’t seem to make up its mind and jump from one subject to another one.
Quikstryke Said,
June 24, 2008 @ 5:49 pm
what ever happened to the indian army that was supposed to meet up with them lol. talk about pointless plot setup lol. they definately were setting it up for a three sided(bk, xingkes, and indian) pincer attack on the eneuchs and britannia. too bad they totally forgot about that.
Wild Goose Said,
June 24, 2008 @ 8:43 pm
The reason Kallen was gagged and then food was placed in front of her is an interrogation technique. Let her starve and want food, and take it away, using it as one of many bargaining chips. It’s an actual interrogation technique, though rarely used nowadays. That I know of, at least.
That said I haven’t really been following Geass. Toshokan Sensou and Macross Frontier are the shows for me this season.
Camario Said,
June 25, 2008 @ 5:55 am
Quikstryke: It’s true that the issue kind of got left behind, but “meeting up with them” was supposed to be somewhere else, not where the fighting actually took place, and that was kind of hard to arrange after the Chinese caught up with Zero.
It seems you thought it was the other way around: that the Indian Army was going to come to their rescue. Maybe if the battle had lasted longer, but if anything, I think there was a phrase or two near the end of episode 10 which made that unlikely as things turned out.
HabeQuiddam Said,
June 25, 2008 @ 6:39 am
It’s probably because of the needlessly anti-fanboy (really the same as fanboys, only inverted.) reaction to Geass and the huge expectations made by the first season, when it was popular, but not popular enough to be hated by Anons who somehow find their way into every blog. Geass might not be perfect, and this season’s ratings are lower than the previous one. That’s to be expected though. Really, the show is just good entertainment, and I think it delivers plenty of that.
There’s a lot of irrational hate for popular series these days. That’s pretty disappointing. Anime fans ought to be smarter than that. I’d wait until this season is finished before deciding that it’s badly-written, etc. As of right now, it’s really premature to make that call, despite the series’ weird tangents and school episodes.
Wild Goose Said,
June 25, 2008 @ 9:14 am
IMO it’s karmic backlash against Kaoshin. :p Seriously though, what’s up with a guy who tacks on -sama at the end of his name? Compensating for anything?
As for the Geass fans, reminds me of Haruhi fans. “ZOMG HARUHI YES”
“Why is Haruhi good?”
“IT JUST IS”
Jason is still sore Haruhi beat Gurren Lagann in a poll he held. :p
Kaioshin Sama Said,
June 25, 2008 @ 9:45 am
@The Sojourner: Ehhh….it was kind of just your standard mecha introduction.
@Quikstryke: This is where paying attention comes in handy. Near the end of episode 10 the characters were discussing the lateness of the reinforcements from India and realized that they weren’t going to be coming. No backup, but Lelouch already had a contingency plan in place with the whole try and make the Chinese citizenry themselves revolt. Another hint as to why the Indian forces hadn’t shown up is that the Shen-Hu, which Laksharta explained was built by her own team. Essentially they were in fact playing both sides the whole time and really wanted nothing to do with the battle other then to profit from it by selling Knightmare Frames and offering false promises of free backup to the OoTBK. They didn’t forget, it was a red herring all along.
@HabeQuiddam: I’ve been called an anti-fanboy myself, but yeah I don’t really like fanboys or anti-fanboys in reality. I try hard to occupy a middle ground and have my comments act as an equalizer these days. The anime community really is something hostile these days though. I think as many people as possible oughta read Natrone’s on Random Curiousity entitled “Focal Point - Thinking is not Entertaining” as it sums it all up better then I can at the moment.
@Wild Goose: You tell me. What’s in a user handle that nobody ever spells properly anyway? I think you assume I have way more influence then I actually do as well. Anyways blind fans are blind fans, there’s nothing you do about them but shut the door on them (metaphorically speaking) and hold it closed as long as you can.
Kaisos Said,
June 25, 2008 @ 1:33 pm
>>As for the Geass fans, reminds me of Haruhi fans.
Except that Haruhi actually is good for various reasons.
Kaioshin Sama Said,
June 25, 2008 @ 2:08 pm
@Kaisos:
Those being? I’d rather argue that Haruhi and Code Geass are actually two sides of the same coin. To me Haruhi is everything people say is wrong with Code Geass and perhaps even a little more contrived:
-If Code Geass is a series that slips into indulging in itself on occassion then Haruhi is like an outright self admiring smorgasborg with the Haruhiism bit.
-If Code Geass puts on auspicions of intelligence and barely keeps them up then Haruhi is a series that barely puts on auspicions of intelligence and then explains to us the importance of realizing Mikuru’s sex appeal.
-If Code Geass’ plot is jumpy and full of deus ex machina and hacknyed twists that resolve conflicts then Haruhi’s plot is non-existant and is full of deus ex machina plot twists that resolve the problem of keeping a girl from being bored.
-If Code Geass plot relies on cliff hangers to keep interest high going into the next episode then Haruhi’s plot requires that the series be viewed out of chronological order to get the most out of it and for it to even have a climax.
-If Code Geass has a character that is portrayed as too perfect and who faces little to no challenge because he can use a special power to get out of tight situations and whose only weakness is his lack of physical strength and a siscon, then Haruhi removes any character struggle from the series at all by making the main character have god like powers, have pretty much no goal other then for her to be kept excited, and to have everyone kowtow to her will or boom as well as to make her good at literally everything under the sun.
-If Code Geass has some characters that are Otaku friendly, then Haruhi’s characters are all pretty much strictly designed to cater to a specific fetish to the utmost and that is their dominant character aspect.
-If Code Geass focuses to much on antics at times then Haruhi focuses on antics pretty all the time
Really if people are going to put Code Geass on the hot set for weak writing and pandering then Haruhi might as well be put up there as well as both are just as guilty. Or we can take them both down and acknowledge them for what they are in their own right (as many people have said, fun and edgy series that rise above their respective genre and strike a special chord with their demographic) and pretend we never just flipped the coin over 14 times to begin with.
Kaisos Said,
June 25, 2008 @ 3:22 pm
No, Haruhi has excellent writing.
Geass does not.
This does not mean that Geass is not entertaining and awesome. It is.
But Geass has incredibly bad writing.
Diskette Said,
June 25, 2008 @ 4:09 pm
Geass = Haruhi + Mecha + CLAMP.
Kaioshin Sama Said,
June 25, 2008 @ 4:41 pm
@Kaisos:
Your opinion dude. You really can’t just say something and expect everybody to just accept it as fact without providing some reasons that give weight to it. So really you’ve just made a subjective judgement and little more. Though I’d argue something like that is unprovable anyway.
I personally happen to think that Haruhi has very circular writing in terms of character development and lacks any plot progression whatsoever if there really is an overall goal with the franchise. That’s just my opinion though, can’t prove it none.
@Diskette: Who’s the ultra quiet girl that barely ever says a word in Geass then? Or the character that never has to accept any responsibility for her actions because she can just go *book* and screw you over subconciously. :p
Magnius of the Chaos Said,
June 25, 2008 @ 8:21 pm
… The crap?
What happened to the first image? How has Ninja Sayoko turned into a pair of breasts?
Tis unnatural, I say, unnatural!
Sheba Said,
June 25, 2008 @ 8:35 pm
>> Your opinion dude. You really can’t just say something and expect everybody to just accept it as fact without providing some reasons that give weight to it. So really you’ve just made a subjective judgement and little more. Though I’d argue something like that is unprovable anyway.
MY GOD! THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT YOU DO!
Wild Goose Said,
June 25, 2008 @ 9:15 pm
Lol Sheba, leave Kaioshin alone and go back to Cadia Zwei. :p
Also, the stuff Kaioshin outlined is precisely why I don’t follow Geass and Haruhi. Divine Wars is superior. :p As was the OG OVA.
Okay, not really, but at least the SRW OG OVA had the Hard Rocked Hotblooded Cybuster remix. :D And the Divine Wars version of Trombe was epic. :D
Kinny Riddle Said,
June 26, 2008 @ 1:19 am
For god’s sake, what’s with all this “my genre is better than yours” nonesense!?
I think I count myself as an anomaly in liking both Haruhi and Code Geass (which I’ve been spending time catching up), both have their unique charms and unique flaws in their plots that sets them apart and attracts different sorts of fans, but it doesn’t stop me from enjoying both at the same time.
But what gets me worked up sometimes is the “extremists” in both sides trying to lord their “superiority” over the other side. In EVERY episode discussion, it’s always “This is typical boring Gundam/Sunrise plot twist crap” or “This is typical Kyo-Ani/etc pandering to fans service crap”.
Kaioshin Sama Said,
June 26, 2008 @ 3:50 am
@Sheba: Yeah, maybe like 2 years ago man.
From Me Above: “I personally happen to think that Haruhi has very circular writing in terms of character development and lacks any plot progression whatsoever if there really is an overall goal with the franchise. That’s just my opinion though, can’t prove it none.”
I can’t get much less forceful and overbearing then that….
@Wild Goose: Clamoring for another OVA
@IKinny: I don’t know, I find I actually like both despite their weaknesses too. I recognize both as different genres aimed at different interest groups and take it from there, but yeah I pretty much totally agree with you, it’s kind of weak to see so much negativity in anime fandom these days. I’ve long since stopped disliking Kyoani and recognized that they have a massive upside to them just as I think most studios do. I’m still not really interested in most of their franchises though. :p
Note that I don’t seriously enforce anything I said to Kaisos when comparing Haruhi to Code Geass, but that I was just showing that if you look at both of them you can make the same complaints if you wanted to. :/
If at any point it seemed like I was trying to lord the mecha genre over anybody then I apologize. It wasn’t my intention.
Sheba Said,
June 26, 2008 @ 8:08 am
>> Yeah, maybe like 2 years ago man.
Nope, you has not changed that much after 2 years ago. You still feel like flying in sunrise’s defense whenever someone says something bad about it, w/o conceiving for one second that that’s that person’ s opinion.
While I still cringe over how some people feels like pissing over my favorite show, I stopped arguing with it. And I never felt like coming in those guys’ turf, telling them how I think their blogs are bad or going downhill for dissing my favorites shows.
Because I figured out that… It just did not worth the time and energy!
Wild Goose Said,
June 26, 2008 @ 8:42 am
@Kaioshin: Actually Divine Wars was a 26-episode series, Kaioshin. :p And the SRW OG OVA is now non-canon thanks to the appropriated Ion Canon which Banpresto used to blast it outta the way to make OG Gaiden. A follow-on to Divine Wars, covering the events of OG2, would have a fairly tighter focus, IMO, due to the fact that Divine Wars had to merge and mix OG1’s SRX and ATX routes for the story, as opposed to OG2 which had a single story (and Kyosuke and Excellen as the pratagonists).
…okay I just want to see Tatsumaki Zankantou fully animated in CGI for the lulz. XD And a proper Rampage Ghost. We were all cheated.
And moar Trombe. You can’t go wrong with Trombe. Hell despite the Geass casts getting inevitable high stats and buffs Elzam would wipe the floor with them in the MkIII Trombe; he’s already got more combat experience than most of the cast, he was in the Agressors (who pretty much wrote the book on mecha combat), and of course, Trombe overrides all. :p And that’s before Ausenseiter shows up. :p ‘course it’d take a long time, unless Zengar shows up with Daizengar, at which point… XD
As for what you were saying on influence and the like, I recall your rather butthurt statement on AS that since the blogosphere loved Frontier excessively you were going to drop it.
Meh, I get enough drama at Domino’s, fighting the Rebellion’s supporter.
Kaioshin Sama Said,
June 26, 2008 @ 9:13 am
@Sheba: I’m not so sure about that there Sheba……
The Sojourner Said,
June 26, 2008 @ 1:44 pm
Kuro. Someone is playing in your lawn!
Swack Said,
June 26, 2008 @ 2:01 pm
Kaioshin_sama has written little more than 1/10th of the total posts and probably half the amount of text in this blog post.
And it’s not even Kaioshin’s blog. The cause of all of this:
Seriously, the writing for Geass is still crap, although the side effect is the show being unintentionally hilarious to the Zero-degree quite much makes up for things, I say.
Hilarious Kurogane. If this was a troll, you sure know how to use your hook, line and sinker well. Hilarious how much of a storm one sentence can produce!
Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,
June 26, 2008 @ 3:52 pm
@Swack: Oh, I try my best.
It’s actually funny that they’ve started talking about Super Robot Wars too!
Anyways, 3 more days before Geass 12.
Kaioshin Sama Said,
June 26, 2008 @ 4:45 pm
Yeah well I had like 3 days off in a row and no Stargate SG-1 to watch so it’s not like I had anything better to do then run around animeblogger drumming up the comment threads. I might as well thank Kurogane for that sentence that the anon even pointed out was a bait as are the majority of blog posts that contain such lines because it gave me the perfect opportunity to deal in and occupy my time. What do people think my very first comment was anyway? Sincerely hostile? Does nobody remember the April Fools day thing? What do people take me for anyway?
Seriously folks it’s been fun, but as Kurogane himself says it’s 3 days to more Geass so time to hunker down and start planning a narrative for the inevitable article myself.
See ya……..oh and Kurogane if it wasn’t clear, I don’t actually think your writing style is crap, but I think you picked up on that yourself and realized what was really going on.
Wild Goose Said,
June 26, 2008 @ 10:32 pm
Meh, I was bored, so I decided to just troll Kaioshin for the lulz. :p Gotta occupy my time somehow; fighting Pizza Hut daily isn’t just the end-all be-all of my life. :p
And Kurogane: This is the Inherent Skill in all malaysians! In the hearts of all those of our tanahair, our IS shall prevail over the orang putih!
Inherent Skill: Dirailed Tangent!
*me grins as he remembers how he disrupted a Marimite chat to talk about Aegis cruisers for 2 hours nonstop*
Kurogane Said,
June 27, 2008 @ 4:17 am
Ok, I am now royally annoyed with this. When will you people learn the difference between an OPINION and a FACT!!! If you think the “writing” (god, I hate that word; I don’t know who introduced it into the anime community, but seriously dude, think about what you are saying!) is crap, then say it as such and don’t claim it as a fact! And I think all of you haters are wasting your time. If you don’t like an anime, then don’t watch it. And if you are not watching it, then don’t comment. You are just wasting precious time, energy and make yourself look like a spiteful little nobody who has nothing better to do. Anime is there to be enjoyed. If you can’t do that, seriously consider what you are doing with your time.
Excuse me for making a battlefield out of your site, Kurogane Shiroikaze (wow, we have the same name!), but I think you need to be a bit harsher on your commentators. Actually, every animeblogger should be. There is too much hate going on in the anime community nowadays and if I were an animeblogger, using my own free time to write these entries (which, I think, should be expressed more as opinions; just advising you), I would not put up with some idiots virtually raping an anime for the most erroneous reasons. The “writing” is crap. Hah! Please, someone explain that word because I don’t think our dictionary definitions correlate.
Wild Goose Said,
June 27, 2008 @ 12:09 pm
*shrugs* I don’t like Geass so I’m not watching it. References to Trombe and such are due to Elzam’s plot armor, haxx and badassness which endears him to SRW fans, and are from a night of brainstroming Geass into the SRW mechanics (bottomline: no matter how awesome you are, if you’re inserted into an SRW game, Trombe will pwn you. Especially if it’s Daitrombe).
But really I saw an opportunity to jab Kaioshin and couldn’t resist. :p
Kurogane Shiroikaze Said,
June 27, 2008 @ 7:25 pm
@The other Kurogane: First off, in the context of my post, I meant “writing” as encompassing the general direction of the episode’s story and plot advancement, plus character interaction, development, etc. I don’t know what are the other definitions one can have of “writing”, but that’s what it is to me.
As for accusations on me being a “hater”, I do wonder how it pops up, seriously. I’m not that free to be spending time watching a show I hate purely because it’s popular or it’s Sunrise. My single-line of comment about the show was purely an opinion and it’s really some other people who can’t take it that way that caused such a ruckus here. I honestly didn’t expect a backlash of this magnitude when I pressed “Publish”, but I still stand by what I wrote.
As for me being harsh to my commentators, sorry to say, I don’t see any reason of why I should be doing so. I’m a firm believer in the freedom of speech and writing, and as much as I’m entitled to say that “Geass’ writing is crap”, I firmly believe that other people are entitled to say that it isn’t so as well.
This isn’t a political blog for god’s sake, it’s an anime blog and as long as the comment isn’t totally out-of-topic, racially or religiously offensive and it isn’t spam, it will go through. Throughout the years I’ve ran this blog, I can proudly say I haven’t deleted a single comment that passed through the spam filters, excepting duplicate or editing certain comments when the commentators ask to correct a mistake.
I believe I will continue to do so in the future as well, as it is my belief that openness encourages tolerance and a healthier mind. While some people might be a lot ruder than others, but as long as they have a valid opinion, they are free to comment on my blog as much as any other people can.
Instead, I’ll let my words and occasionally barbs to strike back, when it is time for such. Just covering things up never helps at all.
Wild Goose Said,
June 28, 2008 @ 10:18 am
Meh, while I don’t like Geass, I understand that there are people who prefer it to Frontier or Toshokan Sensou, or, god forbid, SRW. (Though I am man enough to admit that mecha fanservice aside, the OG OVA wasn’t good, and Divine Wars could have been much better. Let’s hope OG2 gets a full 52 eps to develop itself. Inherent liminations of anime.)
Basically? I couldn’t be arsed to go look for Kaioshin’s blog, and when I saw he was here I couldn’t resist the temptation to jab him.
It’s ironic though, that I’m the only person who finds the idea of the Brittanians giving a gagged Kallen food. Am I the only person who recognised it as an interrogation technique?
Tyco Said,
August 8, 2008 @ 3:12 pm
Code Geass has great writing and the best storyline I’ve ever seen in Anime :)