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		<title>By: Xellos-_^</title>
		<link>http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2007/09/15/saimoe-main-tournament-second-group-stage/comment-page-1/#comment-70231</link>
		<dc:creator>Xellos-_^</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 02:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The White Devil will carry on the will of the rest of the Nanoha Legion. She will show Runa what true friendship means.</description>
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		<title>By: arigatou</title>
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		<dc:creator>arigatou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 20:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wrong Post But this would be my prediction for final 8
A) Shana                     Shakugan No Shana
B) Izumi Konata           Lucky Star
C) Edomae Luna           Seto No Hanayome
D) Hiiragi Kagami         Lucky Star
E) Shinku                     Rozen Maiden
F) Seto San                  Seto No Hanayome
G) Furude Rika           Higurashi No Naku Ko Koro Ni
H) Suiguintou              Rozen Maiden

Prediction Sai Moe 2007 
Winner: Hiiragi Kagami unless there would be an unexpected opponent that been taken lightly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong Post But this would be my prediction for final 8<br />
A) Shana                     Shakugan No Shana<br />
B) Izumi Konata           Lucky Star<br />
C) Edomae Luna           Seto No Hanayome<br />
D) Hiiragi Kagami         Lucky Star<br />
E) Shinku                     Rozen Maiden<br />
F) Seto San                  Seto No Hanayome<br />
G) Furude Rika           Higurashi No Naku Ko Koro Ni<br />
H) Suiguintou              Rozen Maiden</p>
<p>Prediction Sai Moe 2007<br />
Winner: Hiiragi Kagami unless there would be an unexpected opponent that been taken lightly.</p>
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		<title>By: Justsomeguy</title>
		<link>http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2007/09/15/saimoe-main-tournament-second-group-stage/comment-page-1/#comment-70208</link>
		<dc:creator>Justsomeguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 14:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You admit that the way matchups are generated is unfair, but &quot;interesting.&quot; Yet you continue to argue that the system and the results are legitimate?

You yourself admit that &quot;Saimoe is just a popularity contest,&quot; so what gives you more right to argue that the results are legitimate than I have to criticize a flawed system? As I&#039;ve already stated, I don&#039;t care about individual characters, but I do care about results. I simply chose the biggest example of BS results I could find.

How would I set up Saimoe? I would resolve the contest with a series of Borda counts and eliminations, beginning with voters ranking their top 20 out of all 290 characters. No need for grouping at all.

If you support a system where one of the top 6 contestants (with &gt;1000 votes) can be eliminated while far weaker contestants (lowest round 1 winner is Chigusa, with 399) advance, then go ahead. I&#039;ve made my point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You admit that the way matchups are generated is unfair, but &#8220;interesting.&#8221; Yet you continue to argue that the system and the results are legitimate?</p>
<p>You yourself admit that &#8220;Saimoe is just a popularity contest,&#8221; so what gives you more right to argue that the results are legitimate than I have to criticize a flawed system? As I&#8217;ve already stated, I don&#8217;t care about individual characters, but I do care about results. I simply chose the biggest example of BS results I could find.</p>
<p>How would I set up Saimoe? I would resolve the contest with a series of Borda counts and eliminations, beginning with voters ranking their top 20 out of all 290 characters. No need for grouping at all.</p>
<p>If you support a system where one of the top 6 contestants (with &gt;1000 votes) can be eliminated while far weaker contestants (lowest round 1 winner is Chigusa, with 399) advance, then go ahead. I&#8217;ve made my point.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurogane Shiroikaze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurogane Shiroikaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 05:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then how would you assign the matchups? League format? Random generation is a pretty unfair method, but that makes it more interesting.

I&#039;ve seen many, many people who complain about Saimoe and you&#039;re just another one. Besides, when it comes down to the basics, Saimoe is just a popularity contest, so if you like a character that much, then go vote and campaign for her before complaining about the results. 

Seriously, many people complain about the results, but when I asked them if you voted, they&#039;ll go &quot;Oh I was too lazy to care.&quot; or &quot;Pssh, it&#039;s just another popularity contest.&quot; 

Well, if you&#039;re saying that, then &lt;b&gt;DON&#039;T FREAKING CRITICSISE IN THE FIRST PLACE.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then how would you assign the matchups? League format? Random generation is a pretty unfair method, but that makes it more interesting.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen many, many people who complain about Saimoe and you&#8217;re just another one. Besides, when it comes down to the basics, Saimoe is just a popularity contest, so if you like a character that much, then go vote and campaign for her before complaining about the results. </p>
<p>Seriously, many people complain about the results, but when I asked them if you voted, they&#8217;ll go &#8220;Oh I was too lazy to care.&#8221; or &#8220;Pssh, it&#8217;s just another popularity contest.&#8221; </p>
<p>Well, if you&#8217;re saying that, then <b>DON&#8217;T FREAKING CRITICSISE IN THE FIRST PLACE.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Justsomeguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justsomeguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, I actually like Kagami more than boring, normal Maria, so I am not condemning the competition based on favoritism. I am condemning the competition because the entire way it&#039;s set up is flawed!

Just because the matchups are randomly generated does not mean that the results would be legitimate. When poor characters advance past more popular characters due to the results of grouping, something is seriously wrong.

Nonsensical results = nonsensical contest setup.

I wish some people would actually examine the evidence and think before condemning a critic for bias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, I actually like Kagami more than boring, normal Maria, so I am not condemning the competition based on favoritism. I am condemning the competition because the entire way it&#8217;s set up is flawed!</p>
<p>Just because the matchups are randomly generated does not mean that the results would be legitimate. When poor characters advance past more popular characters due to the results of grouping, something is seriously wrong.</p>
<p>Nonsensical results = nonsensical contest setup.</p>
<p>I wish some people would actually examine the evidence and think before condemning a critic for bias.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurogane Shiroikaze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurogane Shiroikaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lacks legitimacy? Have you even tried to find out on how the tournament works? Oh well, for lazy people like you, I&#039;ll type out a simple explanation. 

1. Nomination of characters on 2ch. 
2. Proceed to first round of qualification. Top 8 each day qualifies.
3. Proceed to second round of qualification. Top 16 each day qualifies. 
4. All qualified characters are then given a number and randomly assigned to a group. This is done with a custom-written random generation program, where the methods and results are made public and participants can verify the results independently.

The groupings are basically determined via a fair computer program custom written for the tournament. The source code is given out to the public and those with the technical knowledge can use it to compare with the generated results. 

To be honest, this year, I&#039;m seeing a pretty messed up, but fairly distributed matchups. You can&#039;t really say the dispersion is unfairly skewed to a camp. 

I wish people would actually think before condemning the competition once their favorite character loses, apparently to &quot;unfair matchups&quot; or &quot;vote-rigging&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lacks legitimacy? Have you even tried to find out on how the tournament works? Oh well, for lazy people like you, I&#8217;ll type out a simple explanation. </p>
<p>1. Nomination of characters on 2ch.<br />
2. Proceed to first round of qualification. Top 8 each day qualifies.<br />
3. Proceed to second round of qualification. Top 16 each day qualifies.<br />
4. All qualified characters are then given a number and randomly assigned to a group. This is done with a custom-written random generation program, where the methods and results are made public and participants can verify the results independently.</p>
<p>The groupings are basically determined via a fair computer program custom written for the tournament. The source code is given out to the public and those with the technical knowledge can use it to compare with the generated results. </p>
<p>To be honest, this year, I&#8217;m seeing a pretty messed up, but fairly distributed matchups. You can&#8217;t really say the dispersion is unfairly skewed to a camp. </p>
<p>I wish people would actually think before condemning the competition once their favorite character loses, apparently to &#8220;unfair matchups&#8221; or &#8220;vote-rigging&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Justsomeguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justsomeguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How are the groups decided? Because some of these results are really gay.

Hinagiku easily advances to round 2 with 1103, due to her popularity and being in the same group as losers I&#039;ve never heard of.

Maria gets eliminated with 1161, because she had the bad luck of ending up in the same group as Kagami (1356)!

This tournament lacks legitimacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How are the groups decided? Because some of these results are really gay.</p>
<p>Hinagiku easily advances to round 2 with 1103, due to her popularity and being in the same group as losers I&#8217;ve never heard of.</p>
<p>Maria gets eliminated with 1161, because she had the bad luck of ending up in the same group as Kagami (1356)!</p>
<p>This tournament lacks legitimacy.</p>
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		<title>By: townberry</title>
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		<dc:creator>townberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>September 30th desu ka? That fast huh for both of them to meet.....how can I decide between Fate and Suigintou? Maa...I think I&#039;m just going to go out and have some real life fun during 30th September....I shall forget the existence of Saimoe for that day...~ra ra ru~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>September 30th desu ka? That fast huh for both of them to meet&#8230;..how can I decide between Fate and Suigintou? Maa&#8230;I think I&#8217;m just going to go out and have some real life fun during 30th September&#8230;.I shall forget the existence of Saimoe for that day&#8230;~ra ra ru~</p>
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		<title>By: Anime Banzai ! - アニメ万歳！</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anime Banzai ! - アニメ万歳！</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;1 week more to Saimoe &#8216;07 Group G...&lt;/strong&gt;


why group G? because Tsukimiya Ayu is inside :P
Click here for a graphical representation of the tournament. Credits to Reiko from Animesuki forums
Credits to Kurogane for the schedule information. Hop on to his blog for the writeup of the tournament
...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>1 week more to Saimoe &#8216;07 Group G&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>why group G? because Tsukimiya Ayu is inside :P<br />
Click here for a graphical representation of the tournament. Credits to Reiko from Animesuki forums<br />
Credits to Kurogane for the schedule information. Hop on to his blog for the writeup of the tournament<br />
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		<title>By: Sheba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kanon 2k6, L*S and HnG (especially the two first ones) are already big targets from 2ch hikkimoris.

I can safely say we can wave goodbye to them while Suigin Tou or Desu again (with the help of the /b/tards) will be the most likely winner of the whole thing.

Yes, I am that pessimist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kanon 2k6, L*S and HnG (especially the two first ones) are already big targets from 2ch hikkimoris.</p>
<p>I can safely say we can wave goodbye to them while Suigin Tou or Desu again (with the help of the /b/tards) will be the most likely winner of the whole thing.</p>
<p>Yes, I am that pessimist.</p>
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