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	<title>Comments on: A little note&#8230;</title>
	<link>http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2005/10/29/a-little-note/</link>
	<description>...where a cat is fine too.</description>
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		<title>By: Kurogane</title>
		<link>http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2005/10/29/a-little-note/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurogane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 03:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2005/10/29/a-little-note/#comment-31</guid>
		<description>Yeah, I was going to tackle the size problem too. Trouble is, i've got three types of size to modify, which is the body width, sidebar and wrapper. I'm not sure of which to put auto and which to define yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I was going to tackle the size problem too. Trouble is, i&#8217;ve got three types of size to modify, which is the body width, sidebar and wrapper. I&#8217;m not sure of which to put auto and which to define yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Maestro4k</title>
		<link>http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2005/10/29/a-little-note/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Maestro4k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 02:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2005/10/29/a-little-note/#comment-30</guid>
		<description>IE simply isn't fully CSS2 compliant so it doesn't support some things at all and renders some things incorrectly.  While Firefox (and Safari) are supposedly fully CSS2 compliant they don't render things the same way (and Opera also renders things slighly differently).  I'm beginning to think that CSS support doesn't mean much beyond them being able to say they support it.

The only thing you can do is test your design in the different browsers and tweak it until it looks acceptable in all of them.  With the one I'm doing at work I make sure it renders in Firefox the way I want it to, then test it in IE (on Windows, IE on Mac is so far behind it barely supports CSS at all) and modify elements if I need to so they look acceptable in IE.  Safari generally renders it acceptable if Firefox does but occasionally I have to tweak some things to make it happy too.  Opera's completely free nowadays (without ads!) so it can't hurt to test your site in it as well.

Oh yeah, on size you probably don't want to do a forced-width much beyond 800px.  You might want to go with a fixed-width sidebar(s) then let the main column resize to fit.  That way you'll avoid the horizontal scroll bars.  If someone's still running 640x480 I doubt they expect sites to look perfect in their browsers anyway.  (I know some people who do and they accept that sites will look squished/funky but prefer that to having a higher, more difficult for them to read, resolution.)  That's just a general guideline I use though, I know a lot of people still are running at 800x600 so I avoid forcing a design to be larger than that. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IE simply isn&#8217;t fully CSS2 compliant so it doesn&#8217;t support some things at all and renders some things incorrectly.  While Firefox (and Safari) are supposedly fully CSS2 compliant they don&#8217;t render things the same way (and Opera also renders things slighly differently).  I&#8217;m beginning to think that CSS support doesn&#8217;t mean much beyond them being able to say they support it.</p>
<p>The only thing you can do is test your design in the different browsers and tweak it until it looks acceptable in all of them.  With the one I&#8217;m doing at work I make sure it renders in Firefox the way I want it to, then test it in IE (on Windows, IE on Mac is so far behind it barely supports CSS at all) and modify elements if I need to so they look acceptable in IE.  Safari generally renders it acceptable if Firefox does but occasionally I have to tweak some things to make it happy too.  Opera&#8217;s completely free nowadays (without ads!) so it can&#8217;t hurt to test your site in it as well.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, on size you probably don&#8217;t want to do a forced-width much beyond 800px.  You might want to go with a fixed-width sidebar(s) then let the main column resize to fit.  That way you&#8217;ll avoid the horizontal scroll bars.  If someone&#8217;s still running 640&#215;480 I doubt they expect sites to look perfect in their browsers anyway.  (I know some people who do and they accept that sites will look squished/funky but prefer that to having a higher, more difficult for them to read, resolution.)  That&#8217;s just a general guideline I use though, I know a lot of people still are running at 800&#215;600 so I avoid forcing a design to be larger than that. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Kurogane</title>
		<link>http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2005/10/29/a-little-note/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurogane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2005 02:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2005/10/29/a-little-note/#comment-22</guid>
		<description>I guess the reason why a horizontal scrollbar appears would be because that i set the width of my blog to quite a large size, about 1050px in total. If you're using 1024x768 resolution, a scrollbar will appear, which i know happens, even with Firefox.

I think I'll resize the blog later and pick up more CSS tricks. Expect Version 0.7 soon, if i can get myself off anime ^_^.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the reason why a horizontal scrollbar appears would be because that i set the width of my blog to quite a large size, about 1050px in total. If you&#8217;re using 1024&#215;768 resolution, a scrollbar will appear, which i know happens, even with Firefox.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ll resize the blog later and pick up more CSS tricks. Expect Version 0.7 soon, if i can get myself off anime ^_^.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronin AnimeLover</title>
		<link>http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2005/10/29/a-little-note/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronin AnimeLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2005/10/29/a-little-note/#comment-21</guid>
		<description>I used to be a Firefox affictionado, having seen the capabilities in terms of better browsing than IE.

When I discovered Opera (which was still in its free-but-with-ads days) months ago, I am beginning to think if there was a way for a site/blog to have a design that conforms with a standard (much like what the World Wide Web Consortium is doing).

Browsing this blog in Opera, I noticed that there's a horizontal scrollbar at the bottom of the browser, and I was wondering if there was a way to somehow fix it.

So, any thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to be a Firefox affictionado, having seen the capabilities in terms of better browsing than IE.</p>
<p>When I discovered Opera (which was still in its free-but-with-ads days) months ago, I am beginning to think if there was a way for a site/blog to have a design that conforms with a standard (much like what the World Wide Web Consortium is doing).</p>
<p>Browsing this blog in Opera, I noticed that there&#8217;s a horizontal scrollbar at the bottom of the browser, and I was wondering if there was a way to somehow fix it.</p>
<p>So, any thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Kurogane</title>
		<link>http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2005/10/29/a-little-note/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurogane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 04:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2005/10/29/a-little-note/#comment-19</guid>
		<description>Ah, i see. Well, I'm a first-timer at all this stuff so I still need more experience and learning.  

In a way, I'm a monogamist at most things like interests and having discovered Firefox's effeciency, I haven't tried others yet. I'll do some research, maybe later. 

One thing I still need to know is if IE actually reads the stylesheets differently and/or if it uses a different context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, i see. Well, I&#8217;m a first-timer at all this stuff so I still need more experience and learning.  </p>
<p>In a way, I&#8217;m a monogamist at most things like interests and having discovered Firefox&#8217;s effeciency, I haven&#8217;t tried others yet. I&#8217;ll do some research, maybe later. </p>
<p>One thing I still need to know is if IE actually reads the stylesheets differently and/or if it uses a different context.</p>
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		<title>By: Maestro4k</title>
		<link>http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2005/10/29/a-little-note/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Maestro4k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 04:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2005/10/29/a-little-note/#comment-18</guid>
		<description>Not to defend IE really (as I know it's got lots of problems) but to be fair here Firefox was being generous, by the standards it should have also failed.  There are other errors that IE is more generous in handling than Firefox too.

Personally I try to make things work fine in IE and Firefox (and to a lesser extent in Safari for Macs but Safari has some really strange quirks).  I use IE, Firefox and Safari in roughly equal amounts (work forces Safari on me cause I have to use a Mac) and frankly they all tick me off with various things.  (Firefox's and Safari's handling of tabs suck (at least to me).  The IE wrapper Maxthon blows them both away in handling tabs.. :D )

IE and Safari are annoying me the most lately though.  The site I had to do for work is teaching me how badly style sheets are handled across browsers. &#62;_&lt;i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to defend IE really (as I know it&#8217;s got lots of problems) but to be fair here Firefox was being generous, by the standards it should have also failed.  There are other errors that IE is more generous in handling than Firefox too.</p>
<p>Personally I try to make things work fine in IE and Firefox (and to a lesser extent in Safari for Macs but Safari has some really strange quirks).  I use IE, Firefox and Safari in roughly equal amounts (work forces Safari on me cause I have to use a Mac) and frankly they all tick me off with various things.  (Firefox&#8217;s and Safari&#8217;s handling of tabs suck (at least to me).  The IE wrapper Maxthon blows them both away in handling tabs.. :D )</p>
<p>IE and Safari are annoying me the most lately though.  The site I had to do for work is teaching me how badly style sheets are handled across browsers. &gt;_<i></i></p>
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